Considering becoming Noahide

[Truthseeker]

I see you have a great foundation in faith with the oneness of God.

Reincarnation is a complex subject.I see it will assist you in understanding what oneness entails.

The quandary we all face is where we source the teachings on the specifics of that topic.

What ideas have you considered on the topic of Reincarnation?

Regards Tony

Much better reply than I made. I messed up here.

 

[Sedim Haba]

I'm not aware of severe negative stigma. There are different sorts of gilgulim described in sources. There's the sort that may come as punishment and that may even involve being reincarnated as a different creature. But you'd have to have been really bad to warrant that. Then there's reincarnation that comes when one hasn't fulfilled their duty in life, so they get a second chance. And the third type is when people receive a portion of someone's soul and carry their special traits and characteristics to continue that person's legacy.

Well, maybe not so much over there in Israel, but here in the states, concerning converts, yes defiantly.
Too busy getting Seder ready to show examples of this, but I've met converts who told me about this.

Chag Pesach sameach

 

[Starlight]

I see you have a great foundation in faith with the oneness of God.

Reincarnation is a complex subject.I see it will assist you in understanding what oneness entails.

The quandary we all face is where we source the teachings on the specifics of that topic.

What ideas have you considered on the topic of Reincarnation?

Regards Tony

The belief in reincarnation is very important for me. I am not going to stop believe in reincarnation. Because of that I can not become a bahaï

 

[Starlight]

Bahai faith is a light in this world, but since i believe strongly in reincarnation bahai faith is not for me.

 

[Rival]

Bahai faith is a light in this world, but since i believe strongly in reincarnation bahai faith is not for me.

There are/were some heretical Christian sects that have reincarnation.

 

[Starlight]

There are/were some heretical Christian sects that have reincarnation.

Is that really true? Some people on the internett have written that no christian sects believed in reincarnation
.
But other people on internet have written reincarnation was a popular belief among christians in the first 500 years after christ death.

I am confused... What is the real truth?

many gnostic sects believed in reincarnation, but gnosticism is not christianity

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Much better reply than I made. I messed up here.

The issues with open forums is that it is hard to have a conversation where there will not be a clash of differing opinions.

Looking at the current world, it is so segregated, it is hard to envisage our oneness and unity.

Hold on tight dear friend, this ride is going to be incredibly bumpy, but we can see the light at the end of this tunnel.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The belief in reincarnation is very important for me. I am not going to stop believe in reincarnation. Because of that I can not become a bahaï

It may be just considering different frames of references, more like looking outside the box of current concepts on that topic.

I have thought about it a bit, and to me there are lots of topics that need to be considered.

That is why I am interested what your current views are in the topic, would you like to start another discussion?

A thought offered. An important consideration to me is the structure of this creation. I am not sure if you know, but in the Baha'i Writings there are aspects of creation that do continue to return in this world, all the Attributes do permeate existence and thus are re-manifested in each age in different souls. This is the return talked about in past scriptures.

So who is to say the attributes of a person who's has lived in the past, that are now made manifest in our own self, does in not some way show us a reflection of who that person used to be?

I only see the Baha'i Writings encourage us to look at the topic in a different light. Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

You are mistaken. We are none of us free to impose our understanding on others. There are authorized interpreters of Baha'u'llah's Writings, but that's a different story. If Baha'is disagree with the authorized interpreters, that does not entitle anyone to kick them out of the Baha'i Faith, so we are free to disagree with them. After all, each person has free will, and may not understand. If a Baha'i condemns them for that, they are judging them, and it is clear from our Writings we should not judge others. They are still Baha'is in good standing.

Not if they interpret the writings to mean for example that there is a legitimate guardian after Shoghi Effendi, or that after Abdul-Baha there was a different successor and Shoghi Effendi was not legitimate.

Sure that may enhance the unity of the faith, and in that it is parallel in resemblance to the purpose of tradition in @Harel13 's faith

It is not a marketing plot. Our children are free to not be Baha'is, so it actually works against the growth of Baha'is. Those who are not Baha'is to begin with won't believe in that principle in many cases. They don't feel free to question what they h

How is this different to Judaism when presumably Jewish children are free not to adopt the religion of their parents?

This is not tradition. It is from the Writings. Tradition I define as encrustations invented later but not in the original Writings. You are free to disagree on those. These are matters pretty much based on faith in what is laid out in the Writings, and in my opinion, it would be useless of me to try to convince you of this since you don't have faith in the Writings.

But in Harel13 's faith those who wrote the Talmud are its authorized expounders just as Abdul-Baha etc are authorized expounders of the Baha'i writings.
So in his eyes their writings are probably not encrustations in the same way you wouldn't see Shoghi Effendi's writings about monogamous gay relationships as encrustations on the writings of Baha'u'llah even though Baha'u'llah doesn't mention them in His writings.

I suspect what you really mean is that you prefer God's traditions to men's traditions. The problem with that is that to Harel13 Jewish traditions are God's traditions and Baha'u'llah is just a man.

So your assertions are unlikely to have much impact.

In my opinion.

 

[Truthseeker]

Not if they interpret the writings to mean for example that there is a legitimate guardian after Shoghi Effendi, or that after Abdul-Baha there was a different successor and Shoghi Effendi was not legitimate.

There is no way to interpret things so that there is some legitimate guardian after Shoghi Effendi if you are fair and look at the totality. There is no legitimate way to say there was a different successor after Abdu'l-Baha. 'Abdu'l-Baha made that clear, and it is clear that 'Abdu'l-Baha wrote the Will and Testament unless you believe propaganda by covenant-breakers, and there are such on-line in both.

But in Harel13 's faith those who wrote the Talmud are its authorized expounders just as Abdul-Baha etc are authorized expounders of the Baha'i writings.

I don't know anything about that. Tell me about it. I'm sure that Moses didn't authorize them which would be analogous to Baha'i.

Anyway, I don't care about that very much anymore. I admit that I over stepped myself in this thread and behaved badly. I jumped into a subject I knew little about and acted like I knew something. They can say what they want, and who am I to judge? I can't go back 3 or 4 dispensations, and apply Baha'i standards to them. In this whole thread I started badly, and ended up doing a lot of debating.

In the above about the successorship, I have to defend the basis of my faith. I hope you do not debate that with me, because I would have to respond.

I suspect what you really mean is that you prefer God's traditions to men's traditions. The problem with that is that to Harel13 Jewish traditions are God's traditions and Baha'u'llah is just a man.

So your assertions are unlikely to have much impact.

Exactly right. Good point. I shouldn't have debated that. I would say they are not traditions in the Baha'i Faith, but that is just a word. You can use whatever word you want. I hope I am done with this thread, and want to get this nightmare over.