constitutional monarchy?

[ChristineM]

We will. The best option here would be to have a neutral person do the programming, but I don't think a neutral person exists.

You've not met my husband...

 

[Secret Chief]

You've not met my husband...

He's neutral or black-and-white?

 

[ChristineM]

He's neutral or black-and-white?

Really depends on the subject,

 

[Ponder This]

What’s wrong with having a constitutional monarchy?

I think it is the best system of government

It promotes stability, unity, and continuity

Surely these things are good?

Whilst also allowing democracy to take place

And I think it is a much more dignified system when compared to other ways of doing things

I think that the idea of a constitutional monarchy is a general enough idea that you can have both good and bad constitutional monarchies depending on the rest of the system. If the right checks and balances are in place, then it could work out very nicely.

An important question to answer is: What powers should a constitutional monarch have and not have?

 

[shunyadragon]

So you think there ought to be people who are handed wealth and power because of their family ties?

Family ties are not necessarily the issue. The major issue is also ruling by religious hierarchy selected by a few.

Maybe Aristotle is correct that the rulers should be philosophers.

 

[shunyadragon]

I think that the idea of a constitutional monarchy is a general enough idea that you can have both good and bad constitutional monarchies depending on the rest of the system. If the right checks and balances are in place, then it could work out very nicely.

An important question to answer is: What powers should a constitutional monarch have and not have?

Like the present Constitutional monarchies it is best to have as little power as possible, and you have the problem of the expense of monarchies.

 

[MNoBody]

No, I don't

Of course I don't

But there are arguments for it

divine right [which is specious]
by right of conquest [which is criminal]
neither hold any water

 

[Twilight Hue]

What’s wrong with having a constitutional monarchy?

I think it is the best system of government

It promotes stability, unity, and continuity

Surely these things are good?

Whilst also allowing democracy to take place

And I think it is a much more dignified system when compared to other ways of doing things

New York State, a monarchy of the left although the constitutionality is notably questionable.

 

[Ponder This]

Like the present Constitutional monarchies it is best to have as little power as possible, and you have the problem of the expense of monarchies.

limited (well-defined) power is good and lifetime commitment is also good. Those are pros.

As for expense... my understanding is that constitutional monarchy is less expensive than presidency. So another pro there.

one con might be... irresponsible monarchs who lack accountability.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think that the idea of a constitutional monarchy is a general enough idea that you can have both good and bad constitutional monarchies depending on the rest of the system. If the right checks and balances are in place, then it could work out very nicely.

IOW, the less of an actual monarchy it is, the better.

An important question to answer is: What powers should a constitutional monarch have and not have?

Absolutely none, apart from the power granted to an ordinary citizen.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

limited (well-defined) power is good and lifetime commitment is also good. Those are pros.

As for expense... my understanding is that constitutional monarchy is less expensive than presidency. So another pro there.

one con might be... irresponsible monarchs who lack accountability.

Every monarchy lacks accountability. That's the whole point.

An accountable monarch is called a president.

 

[shunyadragon]

limited (well-defined) power is good and lifetime commitment is also good. Those are pros.

Pros? not predictable, because the ruler is inherited or selected by a small group in a priestly hierarchy. It the ruller is bad how do you remove them? Revolution and the guillatine?

I prefer no constitutional Monarchy, but if one exists no real authority.

As for expense... my understanding is that constitutional monarchy is less expensive than presidency. So another pro there.

Your understanding is flawed, because Constitutional Monarchies have two governments to pay for.

one con might be... irresponsible monarchs who lack accountability.

Accountability is a major issue.

 

[Ponder This]

Every monarchy lacks accountability. That's the whole point.

An accountable monarch is called a president.

Accountability is a major issue.

Yeah, I think we agree that accountability is the biggest issue.
- not because monarchs can't be elected to their positions, but because there are no consequences if they fail to fulfill their duties well.

Your understanding is flawed, because Constitutional Monarchies have two governments to pay for.

Right... I don't understand why it is the case that constitutional monarchies are necessarily more expensive than presidencies, when it seems like a constitutional monarchy costs less, but maybe there is an argument that I'm missing.

That said, less expense is a small pro and lack of accountability is a big con.
@Eddi Doesn't a lack of accountability overwhelm all of the benefits?