Context is King

[Samael_Khan]

Well you're probably familiar with the criticisms, thinks like:

- never mind the book is timeless, you can understand it only if you understand how the world was X hundreds of years ago
- you can't look at just that verse, you have to see that verse in the bigger context
- holy men have agreed that THIS is the correct way to interpret that verse
- you must not have actually read the scripture

And so on..

I have come across some of those criticisms.

never mind the book is timeless, you can understand it only if you understand how the world was X hundreds of years ago

I haven't often come across this when talking with believers. I am usually one telling believers to think of the culture of the time.

you can't look at just that verse, you have to see that verse in the bigger context

I have come across this alot. At which point I double down on the immediate context of the verses that they bring up. We usually end up disagreeing and the believer ends up admitting that they believe what they believe because of subjectivity or they hope that "God opens my eyes". This doesn't happen with intellectually minded believers though.

you can't look at just that verse, you have to see that verse in the bigger context

At this point I ask them whether they are following men or following God. I ask them to prove that their holy men are from God. At which point they end up using circular reasoning.

you must not have actually read the scripture

I have never come across this criticism before in reference to my Bible knowledge, because I can speak to believers while referencing scripture.

 

[paarsurrey]

This especially applies to prophecy where people cherry pick bits that can be interpreted as coming true whilst ignoring and failing to mention bits of the prophecy which are obviously false.

Don't the Bahaism people do that a lot, please? Right friends, please?

Regards
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1. How Baha’u’llah Fulfilled Christian Prophecy
2. Series: How Baha'u'llah Fulfills the Jewish Prophecies
3. how prophecies fullfield - The Baha'i Faith in Guyana gy.bahai.org › publications › hindu_prophecies PDF Have the Prophecies of Hinduism Been Fulfilled ?

 

[danieldemol]

Don't the Bahaism people do that a lot, please? Right friends, please?

Regards
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1. How Baha’u’llah Fulfilled Christian Prophecy
2. Series: How Baha'u'llah Fulfills the Jewish Prophecies
3. how prophecies fullfield - The Baha'i Faith in Guyana gy.bahai.org › publications › hindu_prophecies PDF Have the Prophecies of Hinduism Been Fulfilled ?

As do Muslims in my opinion with hadith prophecies of Muhammad they chop up, we had an example of this here Prophecies in your religion
Its also worth noting that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to fulfill some of the prophecies that Baha'u'llah claimed to fulfill such as being the kalki Avatar, I bet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was just as much of a con as Baha'u'llah at chopping up prophecies to fulfill them.

Right Friends, please?

 

[Samael_Khan]

Don't the Bahaism people do that a lot, please? Right friends, please?

Regards
_______________

1. How Baha’u’llah Fulfilled Christian Prophecy
2. Series: How Baha'u'llah Fulfills the Jewish Prophecies
3. how prophecies fullfield - The Baha'i Faith in Guyana gy.bahai.org › publications › hindu_prophecies PDF Have the Prophecies of Hinduism Been Fulfilled ?

Oh yes. I have had disagreements with some Baha'i on the forum because of their interpretation of text. I know for a fact that at least one of them has not read the bible but keeps on proof texting the Bible and interpreting the scripture to make their theological point. That being said I have also found that different Baha'i have different viewpoints of the Bible so it is subjective on their part.

 

[Samael_Khan]

As do Muslims in my opinion with hadith prophecies of Muhammad they chop up, we had an example of this here Prophecies in your religion
Its also worth noting that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to fulfill some of the prophecies that Baha'u'llah claimed to fulfill such as being the kalki Avatar, I bet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was just as much of a con as Baha'u'llah at chopping up prophecies to fulfill them.

Right Friends, please?

I have seen muslims chop up the Bible to "prove" that Muhammed is prophecied in the Bible.

Weren't you a Baha'i at one time? For some reason that is in the back of my mind when I read your post.

 

[Tiberius]

Words are there for communication and they express concepts. If word play is used as a teaching tool and expresses a concept in a creative way them it is good. Poetry does such a thing.

But it does not follow that just because something makes for memorable wordplay that it must therefore be true.

 

[danieldemol]

I have seen muslims chop up the Bible to "prove" that Muhammed is prophecied in the Bible.

Weren't you a Baha'i at one time? For some reason that is in the back of my mind when I read your post.

Yes at one point I was, but no longer am.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Yes at one point I was, but no longer am.

OK. Cool. Mind if I ask why you are no longer one?

 

[danieldemol]

OK. Cool. Mind if I ask why you are no longer one?

Because I no longer consider it to be a scientific religion was the big initial tip off, I've found other reasons since then

 

[Samael_Khan]

Because I no longer consider it to be a scientific religion was the big initial tip off, I've found other reasons since then

Ok, so you had an original reason and then found other info that made sure that you don't go back?

It sounds the same as what I went through when and after leaving the JWs.

 

[danieldemol]

Ok, so you had an original reason and then found other info that made sure that you don't go back?

It sounds the same as what I went through when and after leaving the JWs.

Yes same here

 

[rational experiences]

Encoded into a code human man due to inventing the code. Design machine whose reaction encoded AI effect.

Said I will prove I became the destroyer of life

I invented word meaning as a father self. I falsely preached it to my baby son man.

Said words descriptions encoded our man scientist life.

Proved it. Michael did. Michael drosnin.

Then Stephen a King gave you sciences warning of life sacrificed. Symbolism. Machines now speaks for us.

AI effect

Trump says my name appears at the time when rebuilding the temple for pyramid brings into view the destroyer of life.

I am religiously supported in spiritual conditions.

Against a man choice and machines versus natural God

God did it he says

Who gave the man scientist permission to change natural.

Hence he did it. God changed. And man a father if science blamed God.

The sins of the father given to baby life sacrificed mutations the warning.

Death before the value holy C 100 was a science cause.