Contradictions in the Bible

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I agree with you. About half of "science" has been at some time or another proven false. Who knows what we think is scientific "truth" today will not subsequently be shown to be false.

This is not accurate. Much of what science has thought it knew since around the time of Newton has been shown to be incomplete, but not false. Einstein, for example, for all his great improvement over Newton in terms of the workings of gravity governing the solar system, is completely ignored by NASA, because Newton's laws -- based as they were at non-relativistic accelerations and gravities -- work perfectly well in getting us anywhere we'd like to go.

 

[Audie]

You could try reading His word.

As if there were such a thing.

Ifn ya mean bible, I read it.

AND the book of mormon.

That is more than you've done.

No way I an going to fall for any of it.

But never mind, the cult doors
closed over your head, and you
wont ever get away

 

[InChrist]

Okay, so you think, perhaps, that I as an atheist "have rejected the truth," so what evil do you think I have deliberately chosen over good?

I have no idea what evil you have chosen and it's not my business. I think the point of the scriptures is that we each have chosen various evils and need a Savior and when we reject God's forgiveness in Christ we are choosing to stay in our evil and darkness.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. John 3:18-20

 

[Audie]

I agree with you. About half of "science" has been at some time or another proven false. Who knows what we think is scientific "truth" today will not subsequently be shown to be false. Using history as a guide, one could conclude about half of it. And we think we understand the nature of things! The foolishness of God is truly infinitely higher than the wisdom of man.

It follows that using science to interpret the Bible would give a 50/50 chance of getting it right. I don't think that is what God intended. He wants us to know. The scriptures can be understood by reading them. They explain a lot more about true science than any of man's science explains about itself.

You are in so far over your head attempting to
talk about science, and dont even know it.

Take a hint tho-you just make yourself look
ridiculous. Oh, and math? Probability
and stats? Same.

Stick to religion where everyone with an opinion is
right.

 

[InChrist]

As if there were such a thing.

Ifn ya mean bible, I read it.

AND the book of mormon.

That is more than you've done.

No way I an going to fall for any of it.

But never mind, the cult doors
closed over your head, and you
wont ever get away

I have read the Bible over and over.
It is too bad I hadn't read it before I met LDS friends and missionaries or read the BoM ,so I wouldn't have been vulnerable to joining the Mormons years ago , but thankfully God set me free and I did get away through His word.

 

[Audie]

K

I have read the Bible over and over.
It is too bad I hadn't read it before I met LDS friends and missionaries or read the BoM ,so I wouldn't have been vulnerable to joining the Mormons years ago , but thankfully God set me free and I did get away through His word.

Frying pan into the fire

 

[Audie]

Well, I do not use your math or science to interpret the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel

So Pi is 3.000 to you.

Do you have a shotgun in the back window ofyour 150?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

So Pi is 3.000 to you.

Do you have a shotgun in the back window ofyour 150?

Used to. Now under the seat. Loaded with 00Buck. Pump. 5 shot, took out the plug. I don't bird hunt.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

So then the Earth is Flat, right? Since that is the "normal" interpretation.

Interpretation of what?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Christian realm. Good freaking grief.
Any word means anything you like.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

No, any word doesn't mean anything I like. But you have to see the way a word is being used. I explained it. I don't know why you have a problem with it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[rrobs]

You like to offer "alternatives," it seems. Still, it is possible to make important things understood by pretty much everybody. We do this all the time, when people are taught how to multiply 2 numbers together, or to add a new contact on their cell phone, or how to hook up their TV, or how to file their taxes. Yes, a few people screw up all of those things, but you can't tell me you look around and see a world where nobody can agree on any of these things. And believe me, if that were the case, all of the Technical Writers responsible for that documentation would have been summarily and justifiably fired.

And while it might be possible to convince me of your point that "one, and only one" religion agrees with the scriptures, I'm willing to bet you could not begin to make the case for which one it is. Or could even tell me how you would go about making the attempt.

And there I would agree whole-heartedly. ​

The problem that you cannot see -- I have no idea why, but I know it's true -- is that the scriptures, no matter what grade-level you might write them at, can't do what you say if taken in their totality. That's because that's not even what they're about. The patently fictional history of the Jews, has nothing to do with helping people understand how to cope with life's challenges! And in fact, that fiction is a huge part of what makes the Bible -- taken as a whole -- such a piece of contradictory nonsense. You cannot, no matter how hard you try, get a God that can be described as "Love" by reading any of it! There's more hate, more murder, more regret, more unfairness, more reneging on promises and what-not than you can shake a stick at.

So you could toss out the whole OT (leave that to the Jews, I suppose, except that then what are you going to use to "prove" the supposed prophecies that make Jesus the Messiah?), and just start with the NT. But even there, it is so obvious that the many writers (not who they claim to be, except for 7 and possibly 8 Paul letters), with radically different viewpoints, sow little but confusion. Faith or works? Works or faith? Both? Neither? I can find all of those.

And it would have been very wise for the early church just to have quietly buried Revelation. But they didn't, and so there it is.

I trust you understand that there is a huge community (2,000,000,000+) who do not take the scriptures in the same light as yourself. They can in fact take the scriptures in their totality while improving their life in the process. You say no, the scriptures say yes. Who to believe?

 

[rrobs]

This is not accurate. Much of what science has thought it knew since around the time of Newton has been shown to be incomplete, but not false. Einstein, for example, for all his great improvement over Newton in terms of the workings of gravity governing the solar system, is completely ignored by NASA, because Newton's laws -- based as they were at non-relativistic accelerations and gravities -- work perfectly well in getting us anywhere we'd like to go.

Technically you are right. Incomplete is probably a better word than wrong. Of course, a bunch has been shown to be outright false. But what's the difference? Using an incomplete knowledge is not much different than a false knowledge when it comes to matters of life. Maybe not quite as bad, but it doesn't come close to the knowledge in the scriptures. It doesn't even make it into the parking lot of the playing field.

 

[rrobs]

You are in so far over your head attempting to
talk about science, and dont even know it.

Take a hint tho-you just make yourself look
ridiculous. Oh, and math? Probability
and stats? Same.

Stick to religion where everyone with an opinion is
right.

I do admire your astuteness in sizing up people's range of knowledge with little (dare I say none?) empirical evidence to go by. But, you still need some work.

 

[Audie]

I do admire your astuteness in sizing up people's range of knowledge with little (dare I say none?) empirical evidence to go by. But, you still need some work.

Goodnes, you sure cannot take a hint.

It's like I could not take the hint that I
dont know basketball if I talk about first
base and the goal posts.

Empirical evidence. . So sciency sounding.

You supplied plenty in that one post, as the
evangelical one tried to point out.

But hey, keep it up, it's nothing to me how
silly you sound.

 

[Audie]

Used to. Now under the seat. Loaded with 00Buck. Pump. 5 shot, took out the plug. I don't bird hunt.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I had a little Smith and Wesson "ladysmith"
revolver, brushed stainless steel and rosewood,
three inch barrel in calibre .38 special. Whew!
I think I got it all!

Gave it to a girl -friend from college, when I moved to
NYC.

I did not like a shotgun, it bumps my shoulder
too hard.

 

[InChrist]

As if there were such a thing.

Ifn ya mean bible, I read it.

AND the book of mormon.

Why do you read the Bible AND the book of Mormon?

 

[nPeace]

This is delusional.

Yeah? Looking at your posts, it looks that way to me.

 

[Audie]

Why do you read the Bible AND the book of Mormon?

I read each of them, dont care to again.
Esp BoM, very poorly written, ridiculous story.

Either is very thin soup, or lousy signal-to- noise
ratio if you prefer.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Either is very thin soup, or lousy signal-to- noise
ratio if you prefer.

I'd love to disuade you of this, but this is not the thread.

 

[nPeace]

Essentially, I don't believe God wishes evil on anybody. Death, being an enemy (1 Cor 15:26), is one such evil. God does not wish death on anybody, not even on the wicked. They bring it upon themselves. I quoted the verses that say that.

I never disagreed with the scriptures on this, you know.
I'll say though, I seem to get the image in my head of a politician. By chance, were you ever in politics at any time? Why I asked, is that you aren't giving away very much, in response to my questions.
Don't worry though, I'm not going to be the pushy media. Maybe I went too far already.
I could see how that might really create a problem with people though - especially the young.

Have you looked up "Hebrew idiom of permission?" If so, what do you think about it?

No, I haven't actually. I did mention what I agreed with, and disagreed with. However, I do understand the viewpoint. So long as there is one huge disagreement though, I don't see it as something I am interested in... especially when I can't talk to someone about it, and get clarity on it.

This is something young ones usually have a problem with.
Young ones are full of questions, and when they ask a question, they expect an answer that's clear for them to understand, and addresses their question in a satisfactory way.
When they don't get that, their level of trust, takes a serious dive, and their shields of distrust go up.
For example, a young person might ask the pastor of his place of worship, a question. If the youngster finds that they are not getting a straight answer, or the pastor seems to be frustrating their efforts, they get suspicious of the pastor's genuineness.
Oftentimes, the youth finds themselves out of there, and hanging with friends. How often this takes place.

Having experience dealing with young one, I know the one thing they look for in adults, is genuineness. One way they detect it, is with questions, and observing how those questions are answered.
So many young ones do enjoy when JWs visit, because they see that they can get clear simple answers, from the Bible.
The same with sincere adults.