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Conversion to theism or polytheism

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
If you guys converted from no belief in god/s to belief in god/s, how did you do so?

Especially if you were an atheist, what made you call your experience with X causes by "God/s" and not you?

Did it just click that there is something/one/s "other" than life that is worthy of your worship, reverence, and/or high respect that you would not give to humans?

Does your chosen"god/s" say how their nature defines them as god/s and not, say, an archetype or personification of experiences, abstract emotions, and wants/needs of the mind?

Please do not answer in an assumption of my trying to convert my faith from believing no God/s to believing in them. I am happy where I am.

I ask because I am curious how a non-believer of any god/s define God/s for himself or does he connect with god/s he read about and thats why or how he or she defines that god is as a god worthy of his reverence/worship/friendahip and not, say, a character in a story or a personification of human nature.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'm going to enjoy reading some of the responses to this thread as I wondered whether to start one like this a few times for advice. I've considered converting to a religion from atheism, and debated whether the "gap" in our scientific understanding could be 'evidence' for god; it is often the interpretation of the gap, rather than evidence itself that makes the case for religious belief. There was a period when I wanted to believe almost anything else because I was trapped in a nihilistic corner. nihilism is not an option as it negates our humanity, so even religion was tempting at that point. If I'd stuck with it, this would have made me deist, but Materialism won out though, (for both rational and irrational reasons) and so I expect the gap will be filled with naturalistic explanations rather than theological ones. my mind has not completely closed to the idea just yet, but it feels more like a matter of time now.
 

chevron1

Active Member
If you guys converted from no belief in god/s to belief in god/s, how did you do so?
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Did it just click that there is something/one/s "other" than life that is worthy of your worship, reverence, and/or high respect that you would not give to humans?

I've considered converting to a religion from atheism, and debated whether the "gap" in our scientific understanding could be 'evidence' for god; it is often the interpretation of the gap, rather than evidence itself that makes the case for religious belief. There was a period when I wanted to believe almost anything else because I was trapped in a nihilistic corner.

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i am especially interested in the "radicalization" conversions, those people who seem well adjusted to life in the "free" world who suddenly turn against it. you might be surprised how easily "belief" in the unbelievable can be conferred. the new brainwashing is very scientific and ideal for convincing anyone of the truth of anything.

the picture above is an enhanced picture of a drug reservoir that has been surgically embedded into the skin. a small amount of highly concentrated drug with tiny microspheres is injected into the reservoir. it's activated with a high frequency sonic beam (even from a smartphone or small radio) that cause the spheres to vibrate and excrete the drug from the reservoir. it has been used in gay reparative therapy where they fill the reservoir with viagra and other drugs to try and force gay men to become bisexual or even to stop them from being gay.

Such drug reservoirs can be used for terrorism to create, for example, manchurian candidate soldiers. for example, they could embed such reservoirs into the oral gums under teeth to generate excruciating teeth pain and various hypnotic drugs in other parts of the body. with the drugs working together and a source of hypnotic induction, the soldier is put to sleep, then given subtle sleep deprivation through dental pain, unless he agrees to change his thinking. in sleep, he is retrained to be a terrorist. when he wakes, he is told to remember none of it.

when used for religious conversion, it must be very effective, because religion that relies on faith can be replaced with simple training. the source of hypnotic induction could be just audio speaker hidden in the person's bedroom. then while they sleep and the pain implants have been turned on, just say: "if you believe in god (or gods) it will hurt less." for the purpose of radicalization conversion, to for example a violent form of christianity or islam, a person's belief structure could change in a matter of days. in a month, that person could be ready to perpetrate violence in the name of the religion.

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Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'm going to dissect this because it's really dangerous nonesense.

i am especially interested in the "radicalization" conversions, those people who seem well adjusted to life in the "free" world who suddenly turn against it. you might be surprised how easily "belief" in the unbelievable can be conferred. the new brainwashing is very scientific and ideal for convincing anyone of the truth of anything.

I think the "old" brainwashing worked just as well. Find someone who feels unfulfilled and give them something to believe in. Ask them to do something they have never done before and the "sense of achievement" re-inforces it. It doesn't have to be someone who is functional or dysfunctional, but the "natural" chemical process of the brain take over. no artifical drugs required.

the picture above is an enhanced picture of a drug reservoir that has been surgically embedded into the skin. a small amount of highly concentrated drug with tiny microspheres is injected into the reservoir. it's activated with a high frequency sonic beam (even from a smartphone or small radio) that cause the spheres to vibrate and excrete the drug from the reservoir. it has been used in gay reparative therapy where they fill the reservoir with viagra and other drugs to try and force gay men to become bisexual or even to stop them from being gay.

you have got to be joking, right? I'd like a source for that. I cannot see how any "drug" can trigger a specific set of beliefs or behavious. there might be ways to do it, but anything that simple, a linear causality of "insert drugs > make a person an extremist" is psuedo-science.

Such drug reservoirs can be used for terrorism to create, for example, manchurian candidate soldiers. for example, they could embed such reservoirs into the oral gums under teeth to generate excruciating teeth pain and various hypnotic drugs in other parts of the body. with the drugs working together and a source of hypnotic induction, the soldier is put to sleep, then given subtle sleep deprivation through dental pain, unless he agrees to change his thinking. in sleep, he is retrained to be a terrorist. when he wakes, he is told to remember none of it.

In the more primitive 20th century, the concept of "brainwashing" developed as a Cold War myth. During the Korean War, American Prisoners of War were captured and tortured. They were then made to made public statements condemning the "evil imperialist west" (not unlike the way people were forced to denounce freinds and family in Stalin's purges). Of course, when the PoW's returned to the US, they rejected their new found "beliefs". Tortue doesn't work because the belief is not an "authentic" reflection of the self. sincere, authentic ideological conviction is hard to fake, let alone mass produce.

for the purpose of radicalization conversion, to for example a violent form of christianity or islam, a person's belief structure can change in a matter of days. in a month, that person could be ready to perpetrate violence in the name of the religion.

Most often "radicalization" occurs not because of a "person's belief structuture changing in a matter of days" but because of how little it changed. rather fanaticism represents the explosion of repressed psychological problems; fear, hatred, envy, inferiority feelings etc. People with a greater knowledge of religious and political beliefs, tends to be the less radical. they recognise that there is no "one correct interpretation" that can merit or justify violence. it is the "recently converted" who are most likely to become violent extremists. as a rule of thumb, fanaticism is almost never representative of "authentic" beliefs, but the cognitive dissonance of someone who is deeply insecure in their beliefs and therefore feels the need to demonstrate their "ideological purity" by going further and faster than their more ideologically mature and more disciplined counter-parts.
 

chevron1

Active Member
I'm going to dissect this because it's really dangerous nonesense.

it's only nonesense if you ignore the danger.

I think the "old" brainwashing worked just as well. Find someone who feels unfulfilled and give them something to believe in. Ask them to do something they have never done before and the "sense of achievement" re-inforces it. It doesn't have to be someone who is functional or dysfunctional, but the "natural" chemical process of the brain take over. no artifical drugs required.

if no artificial drugs are required, then the brainwashing isn't effective for the long term.

you have got to be joking, right? I'd like a source for that. I cannot see how any "drug" can trigger a specific set of beliefs or behavious. there might be ways to do it, but anything that simple, a linear causality of "insert drugs > make a person an extremist" is psuedo-science.

it's not pseudo-science because it works. do you doubt that there are such things as drug reservoirs? just look it up on the internet and see for yourself.

if you're in pain from a triggered implant, then you'll do anything for it to go away, especially if you are kept from sleeping when you have to work or an appointment next morning.

In the more primitive 20th century, the concept of "brainwashing" developed as a Cold War myth. During the Korean War, American Prisoners of War were captured and tortured. They were then made to made public statements condemning the "evil imperialist west" (not unlike the way people were forced to denounce freinds and family in Stalin's purges). Of course, when the PoW's returned to the US, they rejected their new found "beliefs". Tortue doesn't work because the belief is not an "authentic" reflection of the self. sincere, authentic ideological conviction is hard to fake, let alone mass produce.

re: pow manchurians: if the hypnotic induction follows you around long enough you will continue to believe even when you return to the u.s.

Most often "radicalization" occurs not because of a "person's belief structuture changing in a matter of days" but because of how little it changed. rather fanaticism represents the explosion of repressed psychological problems; fear, hatred, envy, inferiority feelings etc. People with a greater knowledge of religious and political beliefs, tends to be the less radical. they recognise that there is no "one correct interpretation" that can merit or justify violence. it is the "recently converted" who are most likely to become violent extremists. as a rule of thumb, fanaticism is almost never representative of "authentic" beliefs, but the cognitive dissonance of someone who is deeply insecure in their beliefs and therefore feels the need to demonstrate their "ideological purity" by going further and faster than their more ideologically mature and more disciplined counter-parts.

radicalization is the greatest threat that this world knows. it is the only threat that can be served on the best china that money can buy.

if you know how to change someone's beliefs, then you must act quickly to stop or it will become too big a problem to stop now.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
it's only nonesense if you ignore the danger.



if no artificial drugs are required, then the brainwashing isn't effective for the long term.



it's not pseudo-science because it works. do you doubt that there are such things as drug reservoirs? just look it up on the internet and see for yourself.

if you're in pain from a triggered implant, then you'll do anything for it to go away, especially if you are kept from sleeping when you have to work or an appointment next morning.



re: pow manchurians: if the hypnotic induction follows you around long enough you will continue to believe even when you return to the u.s.



radicalization is the greatest threat that this world knows. it is the only threat that can be served on the best china that money can buy.

if you know how to change someone's beliefs, then you must act quickly to stop or it will become too big a problem to stop now.

Drug abuse, medically induced torture, hypnosis, mind altering substances and Sleep deprivation.

hmmm.. This is a radical new course of treatment. it requires long, exhaustative trial on a human subject to be absolutely sure it works.

nothing like a little human experiementation to achieve great medical advances. what is the sacrifice a single individual next to the needs of mankind?

why don't you go first. given your so eager surely that waves any need for your consent? make yourself comfortable. no-one will hear you scream.

Or is that a little too thorough for you Dr. Mengele?
 

chevron1

Active Member
Drug abuse, medically induced torture, hypnosis, mind altering substances and Sleep deprivation.

hmmm.. This is a radical new course of treatment. it requires long, exhaustative trial on a human subject to be absolutely sure it works.

yes it does require long trials to make sure absolutely it works. that's why dr mengele isn't available for regular patients any more.
 
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