And I respect that. Please forgive my imposing, but perhaps if you have a look at the crises I mentioned, test their truth in real life, then try to answer those two questions, you could understand my point?
I think I did that already, but I guess my perspective is much too foreign to you as well, and that may not have come across very clearly. So let's try again, please.
I take that you mean post #15, this one?
I believe adultery/fornication caused, is causing and will keep causing harm to society. Wouldn't that make society have full business in it as it is the concerned victim?
Sure.
It does not mean that forbidding it somehow would be a good measure to take, however. Forbiddance is not a good tool for moral improvement, and certainly not for making people behave better sexually.
I'm under the impression that because of it thru out history and now many children are experiencing living hell (like children born from prostitutes or those left in orphanages waiting for luck to bring them good foster parents), people lose their heritage not knowing who their fathers are, inheritance lost or stolen because of not knowing who the fathers are, young women impregnated and gave birth to children of whom their fathers ran way and left them in difficult condition, young girls sold into prostitution without their approval according to all of the above...
While there are various degrees of truth in all of those, and I know or at least sincerely believe that Islaamic societies are big on teaching and encouraging people to keep traditional, uncomplicated families, I still think you are neglecting a lot of very significant factors there.
One of those is that having known, married parents that are openly and lawfully responsible for one is hardly the assurance of social health that you seem to expect it to be. I know a thing or two firsthand about those matters and I feel very safe in telling you that things just don't happen that way.
It may well be that sexual and family life are simply too difficult to predict and control.
I think those are good reasons to prohibit adultery/fornication and to have the society have business in it. In your opinion, aren't those good reasons?
Those are definitely very good reasons to
address adultery and fornication in a sober, responsible way.
It just turns out that attempts at forbidding them by law are not very helpful at all. I am not sure they are not actively harmful, even.
No worries, it's quiet understandable. People live in their communities long enough to see othe communities alien to them. Even I share this same feelings with what your saying. But as I said, I respect them.
You're quite the superhuman. I often find myself worried about hurting your feelings. I sure would not know how to help in healing them.
No, I'm saying to just have moderation in sex life. As I said before, and further to the strict requirements to even apply anything against any sex practices, sex is not really forbidden in itself not looked down at. I also clarified that there are other innocent souls get involved in the aftermath, and those are children who have absolutely no fault in it. And those involved children are found as a fact, not a hypothesis.
You are not wrong, of course. But I still find myself somewhat disagreeing. Moderation is, if not necessarily a good thing, at the very least defensable and (usually) safe.
Still, we must learn to deal with the plain fact that not everyone quite capable and willing to exert such moderation.
