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Corruption “in the name of Jesus”!

raph

raph

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If their is no gospel of Jesus, there never was one. Why does God send the Messiah with a book, but the book was never written down like you claim? Instead God allows people to write a false book in the name of Him who is the supreme ruler over all there was is and will be, 40 years after Jesus death. So Jesus was sent for 12 people because there never was a book. And because of Jesus, every believer in the Bible awaits eternal hell because of shirk. Cool Messiah and really worthy of thousands of years of prophecy... It would be better for the world if your version of the Messiah never came into this world.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
There is no “Gospel of Jesus” with Christianity.
So they started corruption “in the name of Jesus” led by Paul, his associates and the Church.
Thread open to everybody of religion or no-religion.
Regards
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Isn't every holy book written by men in the name of God rather than God himself? Muhammad wasn't God, and he is claimed to have authored the Quran, right?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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leibowde84 said:
Isn't every holy book written by men in the name of God rather than God himself? Muhammad wasn't God, and he is claimed to have authored the Quran, right?
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Quran is authored by G-d, there is no doubt about it.

[2:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[2:2] Alif Lam Mim.
[2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2
Regards
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
Quran is authored by G-d, there is no doubt about it.

[2:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[2:2] Alif Lam Mim.
[2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2
Regards
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Every source I've seen claims that Muhammad authored it. Can you provide a source for your claim? Did Muhammad have nothing to do with it?
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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The NT is a set of letters put forward as canon by the dominant bishops of a meeting, and it was their vision to unite Christians using those letters. It helped the reigning emperor at the time but didn't help the church. It doesn't prove that Christians needed a new book, not at all. Christians never needed more books or more rules about books. Books can't fix family problems.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Brickjectivity said:
The NT is a set of letters put forward as canon by the dominant bishops of a meeting, and it was their vision to unite Christians using those letters. It helped the reigning emperor at the time but didn't help the church. It doesn't prove that Christians needed a new book, not at all. Christians never needed more books or more rules about books. Books can't fix family problems.
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Buddha as per the Buddhism said:

"I teach about suffering and the way to end it"
Shakyamuni Buddha

According to the Buddha, whatever life we lead, it has the nature of some aspect of suffering. Even if we consider ourselves happy for a while, this happiness is transitory by nature. This mean that at best, we can only find temporary happiness and pleasure in life.
http://viewonbuddhism.org/4_noble_truths.html
Family problems could also be solved.

Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
leibowde84 said:
Every source I've seen claims that Muhammad authored it. Can you provide a source for your claim? Did Muhammad have nothing to do with it?
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The source is inside the Quran.
G-d says:
[29:48] And in like manner have We sent down the Book to thee, so those to whom We have given true knowledge of the Book believe in it (the Qur’an); and of these Meccans alsothere are some who believe in it. And none but the ungrateful deny Our Signs.
[29:49] And thou didst not recite any Book before it, nor didst thou write one with thy right hand; in that case the liars would have doubted.
[29:50] Nay, it is a collection of clear Signs in the hearts of those who are given knowledge. And none but the wrongdoers deny Our Signs.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=29&verse=48​
Regards
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
The source is inside the Quran.
G-d says:
[29:48] And in like manner have We sent down the Book to thee, so those to whom We have given true knowledge of the Book believe in it (the Qur’an); and of these Meccans alsothere are some who believe in it. And none but the ungrateful deny Our Signs.
[29:49] And thou didst not recite any Book before it, nor didst thou write one with thy right hand; in that case the liars would have doubted.
[29:50] Nay, it is a collection of clear Signs in the hearts of those who are given knowledge. And none but the wrongdoers deny Our Signs.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=29&verse=48​
Regards
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But doesn't that mean that God told Muhammad and Muhammad authored it?
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
paarsurrey said:
There is no “Gospel of Jesus” with Christianity.
So they started corruption “in the name of Jesus” led by Paul, his associates and the Church.
Thread open to everybody of religion or no-religion.
Regards
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I believe it is not a corruption by Paul but a reiteration of what Jesus says here: Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

I believe this is the gospel that Jesus preached:
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
I believe it is not a corruption by Paul but a reiteration of what Jesus says here: Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

I believe this is the gospel that Jesus preached:
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.
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The issue is not what you believe or you don't believe. The issue is if Jesus said something or not. Why is there no "Gospel of Jesus", if Jesus ever wrote one?
Regards
 
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