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Could Christians (and anyone) share their knowledge please?:)
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Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Paul is enslaved by his sin: he is OUT OF CONTROL. You can see this with any addiction. The person ceases to make decisions and the addiction makes it for them. I hope this helps.
.lava
Veteran Member
do you know what was that sin?
thank you very much for your reply
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Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I believe he was speaking of our sinful nature, which would be sin in general.
Galatians 5:16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. 19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. NIV
The Bible has been translated over and over and some of the content has been confused/mistranslated. The prophet Joseph Smith indicated much of chapter 7 was mistranslated and he made the appropriate corrections as follows as noted in the Joseph Smith Translation: 15 But now I am spiritual; for that which I am commanded to do, I do; and that which I am commanded not to allow, I allow not.
16 For what I know is not right I would not do; for that which is sin, I hate.
17 If then I do not that which I would not allow, I consent unto the law, that it is good; and I am not condemned.
18 Now then, it is no more I that do sin; but I seek to subdue that sin which dwelleth in me.
19 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing; for to will is present with me, but to perform that which is good I find not, only in Christ. Perhaps this can shed new light for you on this scripture.
16 For what I know is not right I would not do; for that which is sin, I hate.
17 If then I do not that which I would not allow, I consent unto the law, that it is good; and I am not condemned.
18 Now then, it is no more I that do sin; but I seek to subdue that sin which dwelleth in me.
19 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing; for to will is present with me, but to perform that which is good I find not, only in Christ. Perhaps this can shed new light for you on this scripture.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Yeah, it might surprise you that a number of us don't buy into this "theory".
Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
Indeed. Not one single respectable Koine Greek scholar sides with the Joseph Smith rendering.
Charity
Let's go racing boys !
That even when Paul or any Christian goes through a disobedient time or rebellion the Holy Spirit still keeps you in check. The fact that sin is ever present and every one goes through trials and temptations.
The Bible says to know to do good and do it not is sin....If you know gossip is bad for example, you find yourself talking about someone then that is letting sin take control. You should obey the speed limit, but you decide to drive 35 mph over the limit then it is legally wrong. That temptation to do wrong is ever present. It may be a small thing, but still wrong. Sin is ever present as Paul states.....
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend .lava,
A beautiful question, frubals for that.
The understanding that I have of your line is this:
Now that I have become CONCIOUS whatever I am doing am doing it conciously and in conciousness that I is not present.
BUT however, I have just become concious but I am still carrying my past unconcious with me still. Through evolution have been doing so many things and all those acts have there reactions which Is still in my unconcious and they {SIN** which is in me are doing it.
It takes a long time for one to transform or enlighten all the unconcious layers and till such times what ever comes out of it, is from the past not the present which is CONCIOUS and in that CONCIOUS the * I * is not there.
Love & rgds
A beautiful question, frubals for that.
The understanding that I have of your line is this:
Now that I have become CONCIOUS whatever I am doing am doing it conciously and in conciousness that I is not present.
BUT however, I have just become concious but I am still carrying my past unconcious with me still. Through evolution have been doing so many things and all those acts have there reactions which Is still in my unconcious and they {SIN** which is in me are doing it.
It takes a long time for one to transform or enlighten all the unconcious layers and till such times what ever comes out of it, is from the past not the present which is CONCIOUS and in that CONCIOUS the * I * is not there.
Love & rgds
Cacafire
Member
A child unwilling to take responsibility for his actions.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Now, now, keep an open mind!
FFH
Veteran Member
The verse in the King James is messed up...
King James
Romans 7: 17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
It should read...
Joseph Smith Inspired Version
Romans 7
Now then, it is no more I that do sin; but I seek to subdue that sin which dwelleth in me.
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Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
No, it appears that Smith has it all wrong. I'll go with the Greek on this.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
It depends on what "this" is...But "sin" can be used as an excuse..If its "no longer I" that lets me off the hook ..Thats a cop out..
So take it in reverse..You do something "not sin" (considered by "most good)and it wouldnt be you either..Now would it???
When are we I ?
Love
Dallas
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FFH
Veteran Member
Finally another RF LDS member that's done his homework.
I just read this post now. I was shocked to see another RF LDS poster who even bothered to catch this error in the King James and post the correct JST scripture.
Welcome to the forum.
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FFH
Veteran Member
The King James is based on the faulty incomplete Greek and Hebrew texts, which have the same errors.
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
I'll second that as well.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Why even bother with the KJV at all? There are better and more recent translations. No one speaks the English that was contemporary during the KJV times. The problem is not mistranslation, but in you misunderstanding what the translators meant. My personal favorite is the NIV, though I have studied in the RSV and the ASV with no problems. If you are really worried about the translations, then by all means learn Koine Greek. But I certainly would not rely on the biased Scholarship of one man and that includes Mr Smith.
"The Bible has been translated over and over and some of the content has been confused/mistranslated. The prophet Joseph Smith indicated much of chapter 7 was mistranslated and he made the appropriate corrections as follows as noted in the Joseph Smith Translation:" etc.
I suppose the Christian Church must be eternally indebted to Joseph Smith for his "correction" of the widely established and agreed Greek text of the New Testament. :no:
So what do the Christians have to say about this? I could stop myself laughing out loud! Isn't this a classic case of changing the text to suit your own beliefs?
I suppose the Christian Church must be eternally indebted to Joseph Smith for his "correction" of the widely established and agreed Greek text of the New Testament. :no:
So what do the Christians have to say about this? I could stop myself laughing out loud! Isn't this a classic case of changing the text to suit your own beliefs?