Could God be looking out into the world through our eyes?

[sondadareas]

Hi to All!

Maybe God is looking around through our own eyes!!

This is the only conclusion I'm arriving at, once you accept:

1.) Each one of us creates reality only on the basis of our givens: our body & mind. Each of us cannot but exists solipsistically; From the point of view of each human s/he cannot help but be a solipsist! ( I tried many times, for example, to look out into the world through the eyes of my wife, but I couldn't! My head spins when I put on her glasses!)
2.) This logically follows from above. Each of us is totally responsible for the world we personally create. Love it or leave it! For example, you could lose the experience of colors, like 'yellow', which only exist in the head, by repeatedly banging your head on a hard surface! Like the painter who lost his colors because of head trauma from a car accident; now he only paints in black & white!
3.) Each of us has an ego which tends to want to stay unconnected to other humans (this is strange because the WEB is going in the opposite direction! we are becoming more connected.)
This is significant: each of us DON'T WANT TO BE GOD! We'd rather escape responsibility for the world , the very world our body/mind creates!
This is the tension each of us experience daily: we long for a deeper connection with our fellow humans but when CHAT times comes around everybody disappear!
4.) This idea solves the problem of consciousness neatly & the so-called mind-body dualism. If God is looking out through our very own eyes, then our individual consciousness isn't a mystery after all. Each of us is like a radio & the music really comes from one transmitting station. The noisy statics wouldn't be God's but our own temporal egos!
5.) This means too, that we don't need those millions of guardian angels to monitor the behavior of humans!

peace,

sondadarease

 

[anders]

God is created by humans, so of course those of us who believe in such an entity feel like it is looking through our eyes.

"Like the painter who lost his colors because of head trauma from a car accident; now he only paints in black & white!" reminds me of a kid who in a test was painting in black only. A large team of psychologists was assembled to find out what his/her problems were, but finally they found out that the child only had access to black crayons.

And in my opinion, people who believe in "millions of guardian angels" should seek professional help.

 

[sondadareas]

Dear Anders,


Please read about my philosophy, in the thread, The PC Proves Kant Was Right About God. This philosophy is called TS, Theistic Solipsism.

You wrote, GOD IS CREATED BY HUMANS. Of course! Your total body/mind, THSN, is something you can't escape from. Like us, you have a human mindset. However these have mindsets too, which must be different from humans: ETs, dolphins, & oysters!

Yes, you have no right to say that among the beings in the whole UNIVERSE our species is the one who possesses the mindset that is able to have the right ideas about anything! In fact, the PC, & dogs proves that 'ideas in the mind' is something that the human mindset has still to solve. For example, why is it that the idea of colors, like 'redness' are not in the heads of dogs & PCs, & are beyond their experiences?

With humans, everything starts with consciousness, CONS. The ideas of 'God', 'soul', 'eternal life'...etc...they arise out of the depths of human CONS! Where else, do you think, they come from?

And the idea, THERE IS NO GOD,.... don't tell me it doesn't come from your own CONS! You believe the way you do because you have no magical soul that can go beyond your THSN, which is the total you. The believer believes because her THSN is different from yours! If your THSNs are exactly the same then your beliefs would be the same too, or else you believe in magic!

peace,
sondadareas

 

[Cr0wley]

God is created by humans...

Have we been reading Niel Gaiman and/or Terry Pratchett?

Sorry. I just had to comment.
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[ISAProphetJesus]

Not really. god has sent us on a test, but then again if you look at the bible it contradicts its means that god loves his children. well yes god loves us all, but he has sent us on a test and for him to love us, we need to first love him. god does not look through our eyes, as we humans are evil. we look through our eyes and sink in good and bad deeds in to our mind and soul.

 

[ISAProphetJesus]

God is not created by humans, we have imaged god and the devils means!

 

[michel]

Dear Anders,


Please read about my philosophy, in the thread, The PC Proves Kant Was Right About God. This philosophy is called TS, Theistic Solipsism.

You wrote, GOD IS CREATED BY HUMANS. Of course! Your total body/mind, THSN, is something you can't escape from. Like us, you have a human mindset. However these have mindsets too, which must be different from humans: ETs, dolphins, & oysters!

Yes, you have no right to say that among the beings in the whole UNIVERSE our species is the one who possesses the mindset that is able to have the right ideas about anything! In fact, the PC, & dogs proves that 'ideas in the mind' is something that the human mindset has still to solve. For example, why is it that the idea of colors, like 'redness' are not in the heads of dogs & PCs, & are beyond their experiences?

With humans, everything starts with consciousness, CONS. The ideas of 'God', 'soul', 'eternal life'...etc...they arise out of the depths of human CONS! Where else, do you think, they come from?

And the idea, THERE IS NO GOD,.... don't tell me it doesn't come from your own CONS! You believe the way you do because you have no magical soul that can go beyond your THSN, which is the total you. The believer believes because her THSN is different from yours! If your THSNs are exactly the same then your beliefs would be the same too, or else you believe in magic!

peace,
sondadareas

I don't particularly want to deflate your ego sondadareas, but you've prove absolutely nothing to me - you can believe whatever you want, but don't go getting Ideas that you've proved anything to me quote " The PC Proves Kant Was Right About God. " is your idea, and as far as I am concerned has about the same value as the idea that the moon is made out of cheese!

If God is looking through our eyes, what about the blind ? - I suffered from cateracts for two or three years when everything was hazy at the best of times - at the worst there was nothing - I can't for a moment think that that is what God is seeing - unless when he was looking through my eyes, there was a heavy fog, with occasional total eclipses.

I think you should write fiction; you certainly have the imagination !!!

 

[cardero]

I think there is a strong connection with GOD to our experiences and our existences. If anything, I think it gives GOD an opportunity to know more about us and himself.

 

[sondadareas]

HI to all!

Actually I wanted to learn how the one-celled amoeba learned about the outside world, OW. But, have you guys seen a picture of the cell? It's incredibly complex, one needs to have a phd in biochemistry to have a deep understanding of just one single cell! And this, not to mention the single DNA in it.

Now we have the PC in front of you & how does it know you exists? Some people here get emotional (even those who believe they are merely more complex PC because they have no soul!) when I compare them to their PC in front of them!
But in fact, there are thousands of scientists, & not just the reductionists/materialists ones, who are sure that the super-intelligent computer will someday happen. AI, artificial intelligence, is a course taught at every university; people are working on AI on a daily basis, not to mention others who work on the hardware side. Someday your own grandchildren will have a supercomputer in front of them; they would be more intelligent than them! But, so what?

Indeed, I want people to realize that consciousness, & more, is what matters, not the computer-like rational/logical side of the mind.

Please, if you are a reductionist/materialist be happy 'cause you are a beautifully complex connectionist, multiple-parallel computer. You should be happy there is no soul responsible for that fantastic computation going on inside your head! Don't worry if your logical/rational side cannot embrace spiritual concepts. Because a SOUL within you is the only one which can have these concepts. If you have no soul, which is possible
,then you are merely a souped-up PC! But don't lose hope, please!

peace,
sondadareas

 

[lilithu]

Maybe God is looking around through our own eyes!!

God* has no body now on earth but yours,
no hands but yours, no feet but yours;
yours are the eyes through which God*'s compassion looks out on the world,
yours are the feet with which He is to go about doing good
and yours are the hands with which He is to bless us now. [size=-1]
--St. Teresa of Avila

(**She actually said "Christ" but since she believed that Christ is God...)
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[sondadareas]

Lilithu,


Fantastic! I used to have the book, Mysticism by Happold - could your Avila quote be in that book?
I would not be surprised if I absorbed that subconsciously years before & last week triggered my CONS to post, Could God be looking out into the world through our eyes, thread!

But my concern with this thread is, for each of us to look at this sorry world of ours through the eyes of God - to really look, even for a moment, with compassion & love for one another, & towards the rest of creation.

peace,
sondadareas

 

[jewscout]

For G-d to look at the world through our eyes would be to give Him a view of the world that is finite...He sees the big picture and how it all works together...i'd rather see that

 

[michel]

For G-d to look at the world through our eyes would be to give Him a view of the world that is finite...He sees the big picture and how it all works together...i'd rather see that

Quite; and what of 'evil is in the eye of the beholder' - that would make God evil sometimes - I'm sorry, but this just doesn't 'wash':149:

 

[jewscout]

Quite; and what of 'evil is in the eye of the beholder' - that would make God evil sometimes - I'm sorry, but this just doesn't 'wash':149:

yes...to me G-d is neither truely good or evil, for that would create boundaries around Him limiting Him to only certain types of actions...to me G-d simply IS

 

[lilithu]

For G-d to look at the world through our eyes would be to give Him a view of the world that is finite...He sees the big picture and how it all works together...i'd rather see that

God could see the big picture and how it all works together and still be able to look at the world through our eyes. God could be both infinite and finite. Kabbalah teaches that God is not either/or. God is both/and.

Anyway, St Teresa's words are, I think, meant to remind us that we are the agents of God and to take that seriously. It won't do to just sit around and pray for things to happen. We have to make it happen. If there is injustice in the world, it doesn't do to blame God if we haven't tried to fix it ourselves.

 

[jewscout]

God could see the big picture and how it all works together and still be able to look at the world through our eyes. God could be both infinite and finite. Kabbalah teaches that God is not either/or. God is both/and.

hmmm well admittedly i haven't read alot of Kabbalah so i have no doubt that something like that is probably in there...but to say that He is both infinite and finite opens up the question as to how that which is w/o limits has limits that confine Him.
i take His lack of finity from the idea that He also is not something which can be corpreal, a trade mark of something finite.

but then hey whats new about jews not agreeing on something

 

[lilithu]

hmmm well admittedly i haven't read alot of Kabbalah so i have no doubt that something like that is probably in there...but to say that He is both infinite and finite opens up the question as to how that which is w/o limits has limits that confine Him.

Well, that's kinda like the question "can God make an object so heavy that God can't lift it?" Answer either yes or no and God is no longer omnipotent. I'm no expert on Kabbalah, but I know enough to know that in Kabbalistic thought, such questions are irrelevant. They are the result of us thinking in binary, either/or, because that is how we perceive reality. But God is not limited by such things. Otoh, I don't know what Kabbalah would make of St. Teresa's words, so I ought not push it too much in this context.

i take His lack of finity from the idea that He also is not something which can be corpreal, a trade mark of something finite.

My understanding is that traditional Judaism rejects the idea of immanence - that God is inherent within creation. Instead, God is utterly transcendant. (That is why the idea of the incarnation of God into a man is so utterly foreign and unbelievable.) But if I understand Kabbalah correctly (and I admit that I may be reading what I want into it - influenced by Taoism, Hinduism, and Sufism), there is room for immanence within the mystical branch of Judaism. God emanates into creation, continually pouring God's own essence into us, fragile vessels. (like God's breath into a clay being) Being finite and imperfect as we are, we cannot contain God's essence and "crack" and "leak." But the flow is continuous. We are sustained by God. So God is indeed more than just the corporeal and finite but God is not separate from us, the corporeal and finite. God is both. (I sincerely hope that I haven't butchered that too much!)

but then hey whats new about jews not agreeing on something

lol! That is one of my favorite things about you guys!

 

[jewscout]

My understanding is that traditional Judaism rejects the idea of immanence - that God is inherent within creation. Instead, God is utterly transcendant. (That is why the idea of the incarnation of God into a man is so utterly foreign and unbelievable.) But if I understand Kabbalah correctly (and I admit that I may be reading what I want into it - influenced by Taoism, Hinduism, and Sufism), there is room for immanence within the mystical branch of Judaism. God emanates into creation, continually pouring God's own essence into us, fragile vessels. (like God's breath into a clay being) Being finite and imperfect as we are, we cannot contain God's essence and "crack" and "leak." But the flow is continuous. We are sustained by God. So God is indeed more than just the corporeal and finite but God is not separate from us, the corporeal and finite. God is both. (I sincerely hope that I haven't butchered that too much!)

it's interesting you bring this up cause in one of my classes w/ my rabbi we were discussing one of the prayers in the Siddur (the prayer book) and one of the main one's talks about HaShem being both close to us and also distant on His thrown. apparently when they were putting the prayers together centuries ago no one could decide which one to go w/ and they just both in...
so this dual concept is very prevelant as well...

it's the whole ask 3 rabbis a question get 5 opinions thing...

 

[sondadareas]

Hi to all,

I'd like to think that when say, John is stabbing Mark to death, God is looking through both sets of eyes!
I read that M. Teresa's 1st hospice, in Calcutta, was next to the temple of Kali. Now, the godess Kali has both a creative & destructive aspects.
We should not try to run away from the bad & ugly for they're part of this one reality.

Not just looking through our eyes but feeling the pain too. Have you had a terrible toothache? I think God is experiencing at this very moment the millions of terrible toothaches happening to Her children right now! And more...

peace,
sondadareas

 

[Godslove]

God* has no body now on earth but yours,
no hands but yours, no feet but yours;
yours are the eyes through which God*'s compassion looks out on the world,
yours are the feet with which He is to go about doing good
and yours are the hands with which He is to bless us now. [size=-1]
--St. Teresa of Avila

(**She actually said "Christ" but since she believed that Christ is God...)
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How foolish for anyone to think that God dose not have a body .for are we not created in Gods image, even with flesh and bone. God need’s not look through another’s eyes for he has his own eyes to see and ears to here. God looks down a pond his creation and see all and hears all. So when ye pray he see you and hears you is this not true. Did Jesus not show him self unto his apostles after he was crucified of course he showed him self and many witnessed of this resurrection Amen.