Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

[godnotgod]

<sigh>
So again anyone who doesn't accept your odd views isn't thinking clearly. Oh well.

No! You're just building on your original erroneous logic, causing you to jump to erroneous (and ridiculous) conclusions. Tale another look at your answer about dropping a brick while meditating so you can see just how idiotic it is! This has nothing to do with whether you agree with me or not. It has to do with the fact that you're just not paying attention.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

No! You're just building on your original erroneous logic, causing you to jump to erroneous (and ridiculous) conclusions. Tale another look at your answer about dropping a brick while meditating so you can see just how idiotic it is! This has nothing to do with whether you agree with me or not. It has to do with the fact that you're just not paying attention.

Of course, any view or response which conflicts with your surreal ramblings must be erroneous. We are well accustomed by now to your supreme arrogance and egocentricity.

I think you would benefit from paying less attention to the jumbled mess of random ideas in your head, and paying more attention to your actual experience. Develop some awareness and insight, not least into yourself. Come out from your rabbit hole and see how wonderfully illuminating the light is.

You can start by dropping a brick on your foot and telling us whether the pain is real or illusionary.

 

[godnotgod]

You can start by dropping a brick on your foot and telling us whether the pain is real or illusionary.

DUH! Idiotic statements are undeserving of a response.

So, do you wish to address the actual content of my post, or are you just going to continue t0 rabidly attack my pointing finger?

 

[godnotgod]

First he says this....

Come out from your rabbit hole and see how wonderfully illuminating the light is.

...followed by this crap...

You can start by dropping a brick on your foot and telling us whether the pain is real or illusionary.

uh...no...he doesn't get that it's crap!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So, do you wish to address the actual content of my post, or are you just going to continue t0 rabidly attack my pointing finger?

There was no "content" to address, just some muddled pseudo-Hindu stuff about the four states of consciousness which seemed irrelevant to the discussion in hand and would have been unintelligible to most of the people posting here. As usual your finger was pointing down a rabbit hole.

So go on then, drop a brick on your foot and tell us whether the pain is real or illusory. We look forward to hearing the results of this experiment.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So go on then, drop a brick on your foot and tell us whether the pain is real or illusory.

But do watch this short health and safety film first:

 

[godnotgod]

So go on then, drop a brick on your foot and tell us whether the pain is real or illusory. We look forward to hearing the results of this experiment.

You feel dream-pain when a dream-brick is dropped onto your dream-foot when asleep on the second level (dream-sleep) of conscious awareness. Is the brick real? Is the pain real, and is it's presence indicative of reality?

Maybe you were dreaming you were a master mason and dropped a brick onto your foot. Is the master mason even real?

"During our dreams we do not know we are dreaming. Only on waking do we know it was a dream. Only after the great awakening will we realize that this is the great dream. And yet fools think they are awake, presuming to know that they are rulers or herdsmen. How dense!"

Chuang tzu

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zhuangzi

 

[Runewolf1973]

Yes, but you had said that unity is the result of interaction, and I am saying that unity has always been the case. Interaction did not bring about a unified condition. The Uni-verse has always been unified.

Yes, precisely because it has always been interactive.

 

[Runewolf1973]

...but their nature is non-material.

Well I'm not necessarily disagreeing. There may be non-material aspects of the universe. My materialism only goes so far. Physicalism probably goes further.

 

[Runewolf1973]

There is something there, but it is not what it seems. That is form and matter. At the most fundamental level, we now find that all of the mass of the atom is created by fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields. That mass is virtual mass. There is no real, solid, matter. What is creating virtual atomic mass are non-material forces. You call them interactions. I am asking what the nature of these forces are, and all you can tell me is that they are interactions, which says nothing.

What is the nature of interaction? Unity.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes, precisely because it has always been interactive.

So the moment interaction would cease, the unity would come to an end?

 

[godnotgod]

Well I'm not necessarily disagreeing. There may be non-material aspects of the universe. My materialism only goes so far. Physicalism probably goes further.

Force is never of a material nature, is it?

 

[godnotgod]

What is the nature of interaction? Unity.

Now you're just clutching at straws. For the last time: what is all of this interaction all about?

 

[Runewolf1973]

So the moment interaction would cease, the unity would come to an end?

Interaction is eternal and ceaseless.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Now you're just clutching at straws. For the last time: what is all of this interaction all about?

Clutching at straws? Seriously. The nature of interaction is unity, unification, universe. Interaction is the force of unification.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Force is never of a material nature, is it?

It is of physical nature.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You feel dream-pain when a dream-brick is dropped onto your dream-foot when asleep on the second level (dream-sleep) of conscious awareness. Is the brick real? Is the pain real, and is it's presence indicative of reality?

Even sages feel pain.

Maybe if you dropped a brick on your foot it would wake you up from your surreal imaginings.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Clutching at straws? Seriously. The nature of interaction is unity, unification, universe. Interaction is the force of unification.

Interaction looks pretty self-explanatory to me. Unlike some of the weird ideas on this thread.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

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[godnotgod]

Even sages feel pain.

Of course! Sages have bodies, but the difference between a sage and an ordinary man is that the sage does not identify with the body. Neither did the Buddha. There is pain, but they don't think of it as 'my' pain because they have transcended the illusory self. But the materiality of the brick is still an illusion.

You feel pain when the brick is dropped onto your foot, but, just as the pain is illusory in a dream, how do you know you are now not also dreaming?