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Could the Democrats be in revolt over the ACA?

Reverend Rick

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
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InformedIgnorance said:
I completely agree (unfortunately for a good many years now perhaps near two decades even) the Reps have becoming increasingly inwardly focused - they really make little attempt to appeal to American people who are not already Reps... this is particularly evident when you look at both the type of people, the process and resulting rhetoric that arises from their primaries... The sorts of people who poll well and end up getting elected as the nominee is the individual who best appeals to the rep base - and this is done by catering to a very narrow band of reps (let alone Americans) - they do their best to choose someone who appears presidential yet on policy matters is almost unequivocally not electable by choosing candidates that demonstrate policy positions entirely divorced from mainstream (basically the more far right they are the better) - someone moderates are extremely unlikely to vote for (as their polling shows). Yet the rep primaries continue to churn them out... if they weren't so bloody minded about having the most far right candidate they can find, there is a much higher chance they might get into office - but the rep primaries havent been about that in a long time.
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You hit the nail on the head. Republicans don't need to pander to their base, what are they going to do if they are unhappy vote Democrat?

Chris Christie and Hillary would be an interesting campaign.

While I think Christie is a RINO and would rather see Rand Paul President, Christie would be better than Hillary IMHO.

I know this thread is about Dems, but the Moderates decide things and what they think is what matters. No need to preach to the choir so to speak.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
esmith said:
I think if you read the parts that I highlighted
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I did which is why I said.....

"In her legislation she wants the insurance companies to provide a better explanation of the cancellation of insurance as well as how to access the exchange for a plan."
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So her idea is to put in a caveat that says...plans taken out before Dec. 31 are protected. So she has one and now today I heard that Republicans have one. They have H.R. 3350. I don't really care for either of these bills unless they both incorporate language from the ACA that says that if the insurer makes significant changes to the plan it will remain grandfathered in but if they make these changes then the plan no longer meets the ACA guidelines. So far the Senate plans adds a few little caveats about notification where as both the Senate and House bills extend the date in which a plan can be grandfathered in.....




I think you will understand that any plan that a person held or holds prior to Dec 31 2013 shall be considered a qualified plan whether it meets the ACA requirements or not.
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Oh, I understand it very well.


That is if this proposed bill is passed by Congress and signed by the President. In other words she is basically saying that since Obama said....If you like your health plan you can keep it Period. She is proposing a bill that means it. Not what Obama lied about.
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All it is, is a date move to appease people. The ACA law already grandfathers plans before the law took effect. All her plan does is extend the date. Fine....but after Dec. 31 if a plan changes significantly then it should no longer be valid under ACA guidelines. "PERIOD"....
 
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Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
esmith said:
I think you better reconsider your statement. Read the following from CNN about your election.

5 things we learned from Election Night 2013 - CNN.com


2. Obamacare mattered
Virginia was the first swing state to hold an election after the Affordable Care Act website's troublesome rollout, a controversy that has permeated national news coverage for weeks. Almost 30% of Virginia voters said health care was the most important issue in the race.
While Democrat Terry McAuliffe narrowly beat out conservative Republican Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, analysts credit a GOP focus on Obamacare for boosting Cuccinelli's vote total.
"This is what kept this race close," CNN's John King said Wednesday on "New Day."


Among all Virginia voters, 53% said they oppose the president's health care law, while 45% said they support it, according to CNN exit polls. A huge majority of those Obamacare opponents -- 80% -- voted for Cuccinelli.
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Yet I'm a Virginian voter and active in the community...and for us The ACA, while hated by many even though many have been reaping the benefits from the ACA these past years, it was not our "TOP" priority going to the polls. This election was not a referendum on Obamacare as many believed. If it were then the GOPTP would have won and the vote either wouldn't have been so close or it, like I said, would be close but the results would be flipped. It was a referendum on the TP....which is why they lost and we elected the first Democrat since the 70s..during an off election year while a Democrat President was in the Whitehouse.....McAulliffe actually campaigned on being for the ACA and it is represented in the polls and his win over an extreme TP candidate and his more extreme candidate for Lt. Governor. For us....it's about the economy and the Republican lead shutdown didn't help matters given VA. and the metropolitan area is a big military town as well as big on local companies that have government contracts.

Here's a better breakdown of how we voted......
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/11/05/va.gov.exit.polls.1120p.110513.v2.final[1].copy.pdf


:D
 
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DallasApple

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
esmith said:
It seems that there are a few Democrats that are not exactly happy with the ongoing problems with the ACA. They are getting a constant barrage of letters from their constitutes that are, how should we say, very unhappy with what is going on with the ACA. Sixteen Senators, all Democrats, had a 2 hour meeting with the President and Vice President over continuing worry about their re-election chances in 2014. There is even a proposed bill in the Senate from Senator Landrieu that basically says that the Obama must live up to his promise "If you like your health care you can keep it Period". Sources for the above can be found here.

Obama meets with Senate Democrats anxious over health care law | Fox News
Landrieu Introduces Bill to 'Keep Promise' of Obamacare | The Weekly Standard
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Is it what 26 states that REFUSED to set up a affordable care act web (hub) exchange ? Or is it more?
 
DallasApple

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Dirty Penguin said:
We sure did here in VA. Which is why we elected a democrat that actually ran on expanding Medicaid and hopefully one day starting our own exchange....no thanks to our previous crook of a governor...and his crook sidekick attorney general....
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esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
DallasApple said:
That's O.K . Other people knew exactly what I was asking .:) (or stating)
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No sure how this question and answer relates to the question "Could Democrats become disenchanted with how the ACA is written and the present time and possibly revolt against the ACA.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
esmith said:
Uhmmm, it seems that some Democrats are not too happy with the Campaigner-In-Chief

Bill Clinton Scolds Obama: 'The President Should Honor the Commitment' He Made - Fox Nation

Dem. Rep.: 'I Think the President Was Grossly Misleading to the American Public' - Fox Nation
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This has all been explained......Ask Dems in the House or in the Senate about the ACA and they're all in agreement it is here to stay. Those on the outside or no longer in government don't have a say in the matter......Now..we Dems have our own issues with the ACA just not as rabid as Republicans. You know what we really want...We want healthcare for all. We certainly CAN afford it....:rolleyes:
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Dirty Penguin said:
This has all been explained......Ask Dems in the House or in the Senate about the ACA and they're all in agreement it is here to stay. Those on the outside or no longer in government don't have a say in the matter......
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I think you had better rethink your statement there. Are attempting to tell me that I has an American Citizen has no say what Congress does or does not do? Congress works for us, we do not work for Congress. However, there appears to be those on the left that disagree with that and think the people should work for the Congress. There are many Democrats in the House and Senate that think that the ACA should be changed.

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Now..we Dems have our own issues with the ACA just not as rabid as Republicans. You know what we really want...We want healthcare for all. We certainly CAN afford it....:rolleyes:
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I disagree. We can't afford what you and other like minded people think is right for this Country. Let see what the voting public has to say in 2014 and 2016. Or course as more and more people in this country become slaves of the entitlement society I might be wrong but I hope not for the sake of the country.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
esmith said:
I think you had better rethink your statement there. Are attempting to tell me that I has an American Citizen has no say what Congress does or does not do? Congress works for us, we do not work for Congress.
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80 to 90% of the people wanted background checks....How's that going for we the people?


There are many Democrats in the House and Senate that think that the ACA should be changed.
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Yep...there's a difference between "changed"...vs. abolished or gutted....We all (Dems that is) agree with making appropriate changes. That has been the case with all social programs. That's not what we have a problem with. So again...Democrats are all in agreement here that we'd like to make some modest changes here and there to strengthen the program...example: Passing a bill that grandfathers insurance policies from Dec. 2013 and back. That's doable...



I disagree. We can't afford what you and other like minded people think is right for this Country.
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Sure we can. We just have to have politicians with the stones to make it happen. Cut back on spending, consolidate or eliminate redundant agencies....cut back or eliminate a lot of the corporate subsidies and tax expenditures we give away....and cut back on military spending. Truth be told I believe we can completely eliminate a branch or two of the armed forces.

Let see what the voting public has to say in 2014 and 2016. Or course as more and more people in this country become slaves of the entitlement society I might be wrong but I hope not for the sake of the country.
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Well you're wrong. Universal Healthcare polls high amongst Americans. And remember, even with the healthcare you currently get after serving in the military...you believe you're "entitled" to it regardless of how others feel about their tax dollars going to provide you with healthcare.....even if they're going without.
 
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Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
esmith said:
Let see what the voting public has to say in 2014 and 2016.
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Why would that be more significant than what the voting public said in 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2013? I seem to remember all or most of those were supposed to demonstrate how the public feels about health care reform. Of course if you always rest your argument on the next election, eventually, Republicans are going to win and you can say "I told you so".
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Mr Spinkles said:
Why would that be more significant than what the voting public said in 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2013? I seem to remember all or most of those were supposed to demonstrate how the public feels about health care reform. Of course if you always rest your argument on the next election, eventually, Republicans are going to win and you can say "I told you so".
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And what they do with that win...all eyes will be watching. If they plan to further their agenda...they won't be in control for long.
 
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