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Could time-travelling scientists from future influence religions?

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
As far as I understand, if a time machine were to be created, it would be a one way machine, future to past (but not farther in the past than when the machine was created). The moment the machine turned on we would receive start to receive information from the future. But nothing before the machine was actually created could manipulated.
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There are also theories for going into the future. However I would argue if it's really time travel or not. One theory I have heard is to create a bend in the space/time fabric, travel across this gap, and when the bend is released the travelers will be at their destination even before light. This is also a theory that has been proposed for light-speed travel (I love geek theoretical physicists). The problem with this theory is creating a mass that will caused space/time to bend, and then being able to remove or cancel it.
The other theory, as proposed by Stephen Hawking, is to travel at the speed of light in an environment where the gravitational pull will be strong enough to have a significant pull on time, thus slowing it down for the travelers. Now this is where it can be argued if it's really time travel or not. The travelers have been under an environment with a slowed passage of time. When the return to Earth, IMO it sounds more sound to say they simply aged slower than those on Earth, rather than traveled into the future.
 
logician

logician

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Venatoris said:
You wouldn't actually be able to change anything. If you could actually create a time machine, before you even use it, all of your actions from trips to the past have already happened in your original timeline. This means that you would have appeared out of nothing, at your destination in the past, and whatever actions you did or didn't take ultimately led to the same sequence of events in which you were able to create the aforementioned time machine. I hope that made sense, I haven't had my coffee yet.:coffee:
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In this case it wouldn't truly be time travel, you would only be reliving a recording.
 
Venatoris

Venatoris

Active Member
logician said:
In this case it wouldn't truly be time travel, you would only be reliving a recording.
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Not from the perspective of the traveler. Your actions in the past have already played out before you have left but that doesn't mean you know what you did. In fact, your actions may be necessary in bringing about the future in which you created your time machine. In this case, the only way to change anything in the past would be to not travel back in time.
 
Zadok

Zadok

Zadok
Silver said:
Could time travelling scientists from the future influence the creation of religions?
Why would they do this?
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I find your question interesting for many reasons. One interesting aspect is that the first society to be able to accomplish such a thing would be able to manipulate all other possible societies preventing other societies form such a thing.

One would hope that a society that could accomplish such a thing would have the wisdom to observe the effects in the future of anything changed in the past. In other words they would then manipulate what-ever happens for the best possible outcome.

Under such condition many may think that specific events that brought about suffering or other such things would prove the advanced time travelers as the opposite of what are actually about doing. With all this in mind – is it all that unreasonable to conceive that this is a very real possible scenario of G-d and our experiences concerning him?

Zadok
 
Zadok

Zadok

Zadok
I thought to expand this idea a little because it theoretically answers so many questions.

Let’s say a very intelligent scientist from a highly advanced civilization solves the time travel conundrum and is free to travel anywhere in time. They would be able to travel back to the very beginning of the universe and tweak the Big Bang. This “tweaking” would define the scientist as G-d and the creator of the universe. The scientific time traveler could then look forward in time to insure there were no mistakes and that the tweaking efforts yielded the intended and beneficial results.

This then is a wonderful explanation of how G-d created the universe and how the creator came to be – or who or what created the creator. At least we must agree that it is a plausible explanation. This also explains the concept of G-d being all knowing because such a scientist has the view of all things from beginning to end.

Now to the question of why G-d allows so much suffering. As our time traveling scientist continues to tweak creation and events to bring about the best possibilities of evolution of life and intelligence we discover that “helping” too much with social advancements (ending war and suffering kind of thing) can have diminishing returns. Too much help could cause too much of other problems and slow down advancement and intelligent evolution.

The final piece of the puzzle comes with the scientific ability to capture the essence of individual intelligence. Even if we define such individuality as physical brain functions – such things could be transferred to contain the intelligence in a much less fragile state. Since the time of existence of any intelligent being can be easily reached their intelligence could be preserved. Checking each intelligence for various “impact” such intelligence could be allowed to develop or held in some kind of state (hell) to prevent inflicting too much harm.

As you all can see. This simple idea put forth by someone that does not believe in G-d and entertained by many other “non-believers” in G-d; just could possibly be the very answer for the universe as we are experiencing it and the very reason G-d (the time traveling scientist) is encouraging us to consider enlightenment.

Zadok
 
Midnight Pete

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
A time-machine would not bestow godhood or omnipotence. Nor would it prevent the creation of temporal paradoxes. If movies and TV have taught us anything it is that time-travel is insanely dangerous and should never be attempted by anyone. Can you imagine if the Nazis had found a way to travel though time during WW2? :eek:
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
But traveling back in time to win the war would be self-defeating; If the war is won, there is no reason to travel back in time...
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Midnight Pete said:
A time-machine would not bestow godhood or omnipotence. Nor would it prevent the creation of temporal paradoxes. If movies and TV have taught us anything it is that time-travel is insanely dangerous and should never be attempted by anyone. Can you imagine if the Nazis had found a way to travel though time during WW2? :eek:
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Movies and Tv?
Are you serious?
:facepalm:
 
Zadok

Zadok

Zadok
Midnight Pete said:
A time-machine would not bestow godhood or omnipotence. Nor would it prevent the creation of temporal paradoxes. If movies and TV have taught us anything it is that time-travel is insanely dangerous and should never be attempted by anyone. Can you imagine if the Nazis had found a way to travel though time during WW2? :eek:
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Are you saying G-d is bound by time because of temporal paradoxes? What I put forth is that if someone were able to move through time they could tweak events for the best good. Thus we have a solution to the ”who created the creator” problem. Also the fact that we exist and that we evolved is strong evidence that G-d could exist by the cause of evolution. And once able to travel through time would be able to be all that we understand in G-d.

You are worried about the Nazis traveling through time. If they were to apply incorrect principles it would and must lead to their demise should they not follow the path of greatest good considering the outcome of their efforts? If they did follow the path of greatest good then they would end up at the same place you believe G-d would take us. Otherwise you must not believe G-d to be good or shall we say - the greatest good.


Zadok
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Only if it applies to each instant separately. Since we haven't invented a time machine yet, we don't know if it does.
 
Zadok

Zadok

Zadok
Midnight Pete said:
Who decides what "the greatest good" is? You?
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Whoever knows what was done and the effect it has in 100 Trillion years compared to what was not done and that effect. In other words - the time traveler. Since I cannot see clearly that far into the future or the past - I would have to trust someone that does. In other words -- G-d. At least that is for now. When I am able to see the end - from the beginning then I would know as well and G-d will be exposed and I assumed justified

I believe there is a scripture that indicates this to be so. It goes something like this - "If you continue in my word then you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

Zadok
 
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The Realist

New Member
Not a chance. the only possablity of time travel is to escape the gravity of a black hole. While your caught in it's grip time slows down while time outside of the black hole continues at normal speed! This is a theory of Stephan Hawking. He also said that travel Into the past is impossible. He simply states that a person cannot occupy two places at the same time. Other wise you could go into the past and shoot yourself it's a physical Impossabity!
 
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