Couldn't design it if you tried

[tayla]

Couldn't design it if you tried

Seems to me, regarding the origins of biological life and subsequent evolution, even the most micromanager of an intelligent designer couldn't possibly have designed the complexity we see today.

For example, how could this intelligent designer have choreographed the structure of the brain with its neural network? Or respiration with its lengthy process of converting ADP to ATP using the energy from glucose?

And what mechanism would this intelligent designer have used to "poke" at the molecules to coerce them to bend to his/her/its will? Pushing them with a metaphorical finger?

 

[Jumi]

Complexity or simplicity aren't really good arguments for or against a designer.

 

[Kenny]

Couldn't design it if you tried

Seems to me, regarding the origins of biological life and subsequent evolution, even the most micromanager of an intelligent designer couldn't possibly have designed the complexity we see today.

For example, how could this intelligent designer have choreographed the structure of the brain with its neural network? Or respiration with its lengthy process of converting ADP to ATP using the energy from glucose?

And what mechanism would this intelligent designer have used to "poke" at the molecules to coerce them to bend to his/her/its will? Pushing them with a metaphorical finger?

How could he not?

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Couldn't design it if you tried

Seems to me, regarding the origins of biological life and subsequent evolution, even the most micromanager of an intelligent designer couldn't possibly have designed the complexity we see today.

For example, how could this intelligent designer have choreographed the structure of the brain with its neural network? Or respiration with its lengthy process of converting ADP to ATP using the energy from glucose?

And what mechanism would this intelligent designer have used to "poke" at the molecules to coerce them to bend to his/her/its will? Pushing them with a metaphorical finger?

Don't know about what a god could or could not design but he wouldn't design useless body parts like the appendix, tailbone, or wrist tendon. Vestiges like this are evidence for evolution. They were necessary for our ancestors but are no longer necessary for us, but they haven't been enough of a detriment for us for natural selection to eliminate them.

 

[George-ananda]

Couldn't design it if you tried

Seems to me, regarding the origins of biological life and subsequent evolution, even the most micromanager of an intelligent designer couldn't possibly have designed the complexity we see today.

For example, how could this intelligent designer have choreographed the structure of the brain with its neural network? Or respiration with its lengthy process of converting ADP to ATP using the energy from glucose?

And what mechanism would this intelligent designer have used to "poke" at the molecules to coerce them to bend to his/her/its will? Pushing them with a metaphorical finger?

Seems like a designer with conscious intent would be better than a system with no intent.

And You seem to be putting a limit on infinite intelligence.

I personally believe it happened step-by-step by nature spirits, and also that the whole thing was scripted by Consciousness/God/Brahman.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Most things, if left to themselves, tend to deteriorate. Not become more complex. But science seems to think that something as complex as living creatures came about by random changes in simple organisums. Maybe or maybe not?

 

[Twilight Hue]

It only looks complex if you see the whole picture. Get in closer and you'll see complexity break down into arguably the very simple.

 

[Looncall]

Most things, if left to themselves, tend to deteriorate. Not become more complex. But science seems to think that something as complex as living creatures came about by random changes in simple organisums. Maybe or maybe not?

You are ignoring the non-random operation of selection, which provides a powerful ratcheting effect.

Just the usual dishonest creationist ploy. Ho-hum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are ignoring the non-random operation of selection, which provides a powerful ratcheting effect.

Just the usual dishonest creationist ploy. Ho-hum.

Yep, the old tactic of arguing that "random changes cannot cause positive changes" out of one side of their mouth and "selection can't make new traits appear" out of the other. They never deal with the two working together.

 

[tayla]

Seems like a designer with conscious intent would be better than a system with no intent.

Yes, but there is no mechanism available for this designer to use in his designing and creating.

 

[tayla]

And You seem to be putting a limit on infinite intelligence.

I doubt God spends his time performing complex mathematical calculations to know where to place each bit of matter from instant to instant.

 

[tayla]

I personally believe it happened step-by-step by nature spirits, and also that the whole thing was scripted by Consciousness/God/Brahman.

I believe something like this as well. I'm trying to locate the processes and mechanisms by which those in the spiritual realm were able to interact with the physical realm to make it happen.

 

[George-ananda]

I doubt God spends his time performing complex mathematical calculations to know where to place each bit of matter from instant to instant.

Nor do I. Somehow it is the manifesting of intent, in a way beyond our comprehension.

 

[exchemist]

Most things, if left to themselves, tend to deteriorate. Not become more complex. But science seems to think that something as complex as living creatures came about by random changes in simple organisums. Maybe or maybe not?

No. That is the old creationist canard. You are leaving out natural selection.

(But I see this error has already been pointed out to you.)

 

[Valjean]

Couldn't design it if you tried

Seems to me, regarding the origins of biological life and subsequent evolution, even the most micromanager of an intelligent designer couldn't possibly have designed the complexity we see today.

For example, how could this intelligent designer have choreographed the structure of the brain with its neural network? Or respiration with its lengthy process of converting ADP to ATP using the energy from glucose?

And what mechanism would this intelligent designer have used to "poke" at the molecules to coerce them to bend to his/her/its will? Pushing them with a metaphorical finger?

These mechanism are well described in basic Biology. I think you're arguing from ignorance.

Seems like a designer with conscious intent would be better than a system with no intent.

I personally believe it happened step-by-step by nature spirits, and also that the whole thing was scripted by Consciousness/God/Brahman.

Science doesn't deal with intent. It deals with mechanism, and the mechanisms currently understood are sufficient to produce the results observed without any intentional manipulation. No God needed.

Most things, if left to themselves, tend to deteriorate. Not become more complex. But science seems to think that something as complex as living creatures came about by random changes in simple organisums. Maybe or maybe not?

Nor do I. Somehow it is the manifesting of intent, in a way beyond our comprehension.

First, entropy is a big-picture, long-term proposal. Clearly, there are many situations where complexity increases.

Simple organisms are living creatures, and the mechanisms by which their complexity increased over time are well described and supported. I don't see any reason to propose magic other than personal incredulity and ignorance.

 

[George-ananda]

Science doesn't deal with intent. It deals with mechanism, and the mechanisms currently understood are sufficient to produce the results observed without any intentional manipulation. No God needed.

Well, that doesn't disprove God's intentions being the creative force either.

I am not doing Occam Razor's Science but rather giving my personal opinion on how the universe came to be as it is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, that doesn't disprove God's intentions being the creative force either.

I am not doing Occam Razor's Science but rather giving my personal opinion on how the universe came to be as it is.

I don't think that anyone on the science side has said that God or gods have been disproved. It has only been shown that there does not appear to be a need for one.

 

[George-ananda]

I don't think that anyone on the science side has said that God or gods have been disproved. It has only been shown that there does not appear to be a need for one.

I actually agree with you on those points.

 

[ecco]

How could he not?

Still unanswered.

An omni-all god have done it all without breaking a sweat. Anyone who disagrees doesn't understand the concept of omnipotent.

 

[Audie]

Seems like a designer with conscious intent would be better than a system with no intent.

And You seem to be putting a limit on infinite intelligence.

I personally believe it happened step-by-step by nature spirits, and also that the whole thing was scripted by Consciousness/God/Brahman.

Better at what?

Read up on trigeminal neuralgia. Who (in god's name) would run a nerve
that way through the skull?

Anyone who has spent a significant amount of time in lecture, lab and library
studying anatomy cannot help but see the way organ systems, well as they
may work, have a distinctly makeshift nature to them.

A infinite intelligence who made such concoctions must have had a lot of other things on his mind!

In the event-would you limit your infinite to one who has to tweak and meddle and mess with things to get them to work? "He" cant make a universe that
can be set going, and it will produce Beethoven's music w/o him meddling?


Evolution is real good at tweaking what is there. Things turn out kind
of goofy a lot of the time, but they work. More or less.

BTW
Watersheds, you know, river systems, seem to work great but nobody
seems to think they needed a designer. The sun seems to work ok,
as an entirely natural thing operating on basic principles of physics.