Couldn't have said it better myself...

[Subduction Zone]

Hitler did have an evolutionist viewpoint, insofar as he believed and promoted the superiority of the Aryan people.

No, he did not. In fact the theory of evolution was one of the banned books in Nazi Germany.\

Here's an interesting point about Hitler and his ideas...Eugenics

Eugenics is not evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I thought about this. There have been various important civilizations with little to no written documentation or history. The history of the Jews, however, including the advent of Christianity (true Christianity) is preserved in the pages of the scriptures in great detail. Other civilizations have no details preserved about them
6 Lost Civilizations
That includes the Mayan civilization.

Sorry, but the history of the Jews is no different from others. They have legendary leaders that did not exist too. The Bible slowly bends from myth to history. It does not being to be accurate until the time of the Babylonian captivity.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible is more myth than history. You really should try to learn how others know this.

As a side note, I notice you frequently respond very quickly to my posts. Are you on these forums almost 24/7?

 

[YoursTrue]

No, he did not. In fact the theory of evolution was one of the banned books in Nazi Germany.\



Eugenics is not evolution.

He believed in a master race, influenced by eugenics. Hitler may have a somewhat belief in Christ and I haven't taken a survey but I have a feeling many claiming to be Christian also believe in promoting a Master Race among other things. Jesus did not overthrow a government.

 

[Brian2]

I answered you about at least two or three times.

It's immoral because it doesn't provide any restitution to the victim.

Vengeance is something that belongs to God to dish out, but vengeance is not restitution.
Restitution is restoration of something that has been lost or taken.
If a victim ends up with eternal life with an eternity of love and abundance then restitution has been given and more and it will be up to the victim at that stage to say if they are not happy with that and want more.
It sounds as if you want time to be turned backwards so that the victim never experienced the suffering caused by the culprit and everything will be returned to that point in time as if the evil never happened.
But the evil did happen and I don't think that time will be turned backwards.
Are you sure you don't want vengeance against the perpetrator? You have mentioned that you don't like the idea of the perp being forgiven by God (if that happens)

 

[Subduction Zone]

He believed in a master race, influenced by eugenics. Hitler may have a somewhat belief in Christ and I haven't taken a survey but I have a feeling many claiming to be Christian also believe in promoting a Master Race among other things. Jesus did not overthrow a government.

Correct, and that is closer to the Bible and its beliefs than it is to evolution. Evolution explains that there is almost no difference between the races. In fact it shows the concept of race as we use it to be nonexistent.

 

[Brian2]

Quran is considered literal word of God (God's correction of the Bible)... "Shruti" texts are considered revealed by some Hindus...

What if some text other than Bible is the real divine revelation? How do you know?
What if none is? How do you know?
How do you know OT patriarchs and prophets were not mythical figures?

How do any of us "know" what we believe. It is not a matter of "knowing".

 

[Brian2]

He may have been innocent of the charges, which I don’t believe given the story, but he is not characterized as sinless. He sins.

Not according to the Bible.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sorry, but the history of the Jews is no different from others. They have legendary leaders that did not exist too. The Bible slowly bends from myth to history. It does not being to be accurate until the time of the Babylonian captivity.

So you and others may say. As I study the Bible, however, it becomes clearer and clearer to me this was not made up by the writers. Again....it is very detailed. Other civilizations have nothing in memoriam defining their history.

 

[Brian2]

If that were true that would be the only punishment in the Bible and yet it is not the only one.

I see that death as not so much a punishment but what we earn through our sins.
In a purely justice oriented way (not considering God's mercy), a Hitler who dies and a 10 year old who dies are not being treated justly if death is the punishment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you and others may say. As I study the Bible, however, it becomes clearer and clearer to me this was not made up by the writers. Again....it is very detailed. Other civilizations have nothing in memoriam defining their history.

That is only because you do not know how to read it properly.

 

[Brian2]

Sorry God, if he exists, never revealed himself to those people. It is not rejection to lack a belief in someone that does not appear to exist.

For argument sake I will accept what you said, but rejecting God can happen in more ways than just a head belief. We can for example live a life of self love, while treating others like ****.

 

[Brian2]

But God lied to them

When did God lie to Adam and Eve?

 

[Brian2]

And then there are the countless Christians who sin quite a bit, including some very heinous sins.

Yes, Christians aren't perfect, and some who claim to be Christians will end up being told by Jesus that He never knew them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see that death as not so much a punishment but what we earn through our sins.
In a purely justice oriented way (not considering God's mercy), a Hitler who dies and a 10 year old who dies are not being treated justly if death is the punishment.

In the real world justice sometimes does not exist. And it certainly does not exist in the Bible.

All we can say in retrospect all we can say is "Hitler is finally dead and that is a good thing" vs "This ten year old died way to early and that is a bad thing". There is no justice to be found from either source.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When did God lie to Adam and Eve?

On that day you shall die.

They didn't. And please, no apologetics allowed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For argument sake I will accept what you said, but rejecting God can happen in more ways than just a head belief. We can for example live a life of self love, while treating others like ****.

So what? One can do that if one is a Christian or if one is an atheist. And an atheist can be better than any Christian. That really is a pointless argument. It does not indicate the existence or nonexistence of a god.

 

[Brian2]

I believe you have no evidence or spiritual guidance to support that view. I believe it is a prejudicial view.

I believe I am not sure what you are referring to but it certainly wasn't the previous sentence.

My spiritual guidance for what I said about Muhammad is the Bible and how Muhammad teaches that the gospel of Jesus is not true.

 

[Brian2]

Buck stops at the top

That would mean "not" that God is responsible for all the evil in the world but is the one who is responsible to fix the problem of evil.

 

[Brian2]

Why does it have to be about benefits for me?

It is just that Jesus life was given to benefit humanity, as part of fixing the problem of evil in the world. It is a gift for us. We can reject it if we want of course.