Countries banning of kosher meats are forcing "expulsion" of Jews

[Firemorphic]

The way we treat animals is a good indicator of our morality.

I suppose you're vegan then?

 

[Notanumber]

I suppose you're vegan then?

Yes, I am and proud of it.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Only on fish farms in a very select set of countries. I would expect other countries to adopt the killing methods for their farms and maybe even outlaw open sea fishing which is not (to my mind) like a single hunter stalking an animal, but a massive collection on an industrial scale.

Those farms still exist. But still, let's worry more about that when a firm consensus on fish and pain comes to bear.

For this issue, it is clear beyond a doubt that large mammals such as cattle feel pain. This can be observed physically and vocally from the smallest pain to the greatest, and is clearly seen in ancient and outdated methods of slaughter. Furthermore, and again, that these animals are placed in our care as livestock, there is a greater responsibility to humane and ethical slaughter. Kosher slaughter does not achieve this, as the animals can still be seen to struggle and suffer after their throats are slit.

 

[Notanumber]

Animals can smell blood.

Animals should be stunned in a separate area where they cannot be seen by other animals and then taken to the slaughterhouse while unconscious.

 

[charlie sc]

Give me your very best reason why you say this. Be specific.

You can’t see the animal suffering or has religion blinded your empathy in this regard?

 

[Shad]

It really shows how shallow this initiative is, because theyre willing to make exceptions for hunters, but not for certain religious groups.

That is because the masses do not consume game animal nor even have any interest unless directed to care by others. Heck my brother had to put two rounds into a moose a few years ago. The steaks and jerky were not harmed! Again the masses will care when someone tells them to care.

...the inconsistency shows something... strange..? Even illogical..?

Yes. Government is not a logic based institution nor are the whims of the masses.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It strikes me that topics like "how to safely slaughter animals" should be removed from ALL modern religions. Kosher slaughtering practices were probably "the state of the art" two or three thousand years ago, but by today's standards they are no longer the state of the art in any respect, and they are unnecessarily cruel.

To be clear, this is my opinion regardless of which religion is involved.

Agreed. Kosher and halal slaughter, as well as factory farms can all be banned in my opinion.

 

[Shad]

Yes, I am and proud of it.

Didn't expect this given your posting history.

 

[Notanumber]

Didn't expect this given your posting history.

I wrote a post about it on here soon after I joined.

I have been vegetarian all my life and became a vegan a several years ago.

Unusual I know for someone that was born and brought up on dairy farm.

I think I mentioned The Silence of the Lambs in that post.

 

[Shad]

I wrote a post about it on here soon after I joined.

I have been vegetarian all my life and became a vegan a several years ago.

Unusual I know for someone that was born and brought up on dairy farm.

I think I mentioned The Silence of the Lambs in that post.

I do not read intro posts. It just seems odd given your political views. The political stereotypes between vegans and your own posting history as far as I have read.

 

[Notanumber]

I do not read intro posts. It just seems odd given your political views. The political stereotypes between vegans and your own posting history as far as I have read.

I believe that animals should be treated with respect in the same way that I believe that humans should be treated equally without fear or favour.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You can’t see the animal suffering or has religion blinded your empathy in this regard?

Absolutely not. kosher slaughter is designed to be humane. Animals are unconscious within second if done properly.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Or they're rendered unconscious immediately and prior to exsanguination if done ethically

 

[Shad]

Absolutely not. kosher slaughter is designed to be humane. Animals are unconscious within second if done properly.

I doubt this was the purpose. Looks like modern projection.

Obviously it is more humane than what hunters do legally.

 

[KelseyR]

Many animals start feasting before their kill is dead. Jewish practices are civilized compared to that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I doubt this was the purpose. Looks like modern projection.

Obviously it is more humane than what hunters do legally.

Oh brother. Rolls eyes.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Give me your very best reason why you say this. Be specific.

What's the matter, cannot you even defend your own beliefs?

It's not up to me to prove the "kosher slaughter" is cruel and inhumane, that's self evident.

If a serial killer went on trial for slitting people and making them suffer a prolonged and agonizing death as they s-l-o-w-l-y bleed to death, with his victims in pain and full well knowing that they were dying for all that time, he would be branded a sick and cruel evil monster.

 

[sooda]

What's the matter, cannot you even defend your own beliefs?

It's not up to me to prove the "kosher slaughter" is cruel and inhumane, that's self evident.

If a serial killer went on trial for slitting people and making them suffer a prolonged and agonizing death as they s-l-o-w-l-y bleed to death, with his victims in pain and full well knowing that they were dying for all that time, he would be branded a sick and cruel evil monster.

Its NOT slow.. Its very fast. Have you never seen a skilled Halal or Kosher butcher?

 

[sooda]

Absolutely not. kosher slaughter is designed to be humane. Animals are unconscious within second if done properly.

Yes.. and its dependent on the skill of the person doing the slaughtering. I just wonder how "efficiently" a high speed commercial slaughtering operation could meet the standards of Halal or Kosher.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Its NOT slow.. Its very fast. Have you never seen a skilled Halal or Kosher butcher?

I find it strange how so many man made religions are so totally devoid of any empathy or compassion, and only teach cruelty and utter evilness.