no as explained before consciousness has been proven to be altered by states of mind. consciousness is physical but it isn't necessarily a fixed brain exclusive form
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no as explained before consciousness has been proven to be altered by states of mind. consciousness is physical but it isn't necessarily a fixed brain exclusive form
And i am saying homosexuality is NOT a conscious choice and i have provided links to verify that
And considering it is generally unknown what conciousnes is i think you are barking up the wrong tree
i can provide links which show abuse triggers the development of homosexuality.
Does Maltreatment in Childhood Affect Sexual Orientation in Adulthood?
the mind copes and adapts
there is no black and white exact answer and actually its irrelevant. the right to be is no one's but self's. each is given a life to do what it will without abusing or being abused/used by another.
In some few cases perhaps abuse can bend sexuality. How does that account for those who are abused and do not become homosexual?
The biological traits must have been present for it to occur
thats my point. there is no black and white answer and honestly it's irrelevant. what one is to be, is theirs to be. its not anyone else's business. if they want to believe they were born that way, chose to be that way, or even were triggered to be that way, its their WAY and not anyone else's business.
it is their's to be
Yet you wrote
It is proven that homosexuals do not choose to be gay. I have shown that snd you have provided some out dated religious dogma.
no you only proved some. unlike you, western science doesn't make absolute statements like yours
there are cases of identical twins where one is heterosexual and the other is homosexual. so genetics isn't a case for sexuality.
Sexual Arousal Patterns of Identical Twins with Discordant Sexual Orientations
While identical twins share the same dna during development in the womb and after birth, our surroundings, exposures, and nutrition influence how our genes are expressed and how our bodies and minds develop
now you're discussing epigenetics; which is an outside influence. so again the underlying factor is consciousness and how it responds to be
to be or not to be, that is the question.
Not at all. At some point our sexuality develops into an attraction for either the opposite sex or same sex or both and is not by any deliberate choice.
No, i am discussing genetics which explains away your identical twins idea
And as i said earlier on, the mind (consciousness) is part of the body and subject to genetics.
Dictatorships are great....only for the dictators. Under dictatorship, we are free to worship as we please, only as long as we worship as he tells us. Many are scared into compliance. Many are comforted by knowing that a strong leader is protecting them. In some cases, religions, themselves can be dictators. Religions can enslave natives to build missions for priests who have scared and enslaved them (even beating or killing them).
Religions exist because of freedom, then impose restrictions on gender choice, abortion rights, and even the way we dress. Freedom and restrictions sometimes can coexist, but often are diametrically opposed to each other.
Religions exist because of freedom, then impose restrictions on gender choice, abortion rights, and even the way we dress. Freedom and restrictions sometimes can coexist, but often are diametrically opposed to each other.
genetics doesn't change. its a phenotype change only and not a genetic change.
Epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene expression (active versus inactive genes) that do not involve changes to the underlying DNA sequence — a change in phenotype without a change in genotype — which in turn affects how cells read the genes. Epigenetic change is a regular and natural occurrence but can also be influenced by several factors including age, the environment/lifestyle, and disease state.
so you're claiming that outside influences changes the sexuality. if its genetics only both twins would have the same sexuality. sexuality is not a phenotype
I am claiming what i have written and provided links to back me up.
And i believe its you on the genetics showboat. My point was biology, although genetics plays its part
your links don't back you up. they are possible in some instances but arent' 100%.
but this thread isn't about that.
it is the right of the person to be whatever that is that makes them happy and doesn't directly harm another. that is the focus of this thread. not to prove sexuality is genetic and unalterable.
but how the golden rule applies in that if i am happy with this/that, then it is a ethical and moral obligation to allow others to do the same.
Your opinion is noted
You posted the OP and made the conscientious statement
To mt knowledge this is the first time the golden rule is mentioned but ok