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Cows in Heaven

Do animals experience life after death?

  • People survive death, not animals

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • Animals and people survive death

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • If there's an afterlife, it would be just for people

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • If there's an afterlife, it's for animals and people both

    Votes: 9 32.1%
  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • No afterlife for any organism--dead means dead!

    Votes: 9 32.1%

  • Total voters
    28

Antiochian

Rationalist
Assuming you believe in an afterlife for people, what about animals? Do they have souls? Will you walk your Golden Retriever on the golden streets?

Being more or less agnostic about life after death, although I lean towards belief in an afterlife, I'd have to take the fence.

Assuming people do survive death, I'd imagine animals must as well in some form or other. And frankly, I'd rather spend eternity with my dogs than with most people...
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
And frankly, I'd rather spend eternity with my dogs than with most people...

You might not have the choice.:p

Christianity is definitely a human-centered religion.

But I'm game for saying that animals - the good ones - go to heaven. What the hell.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
I don't feel the poll adequately allows for comfortable answers from my POV. I see no difference between the souls of animals and humans.
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
”Strange indeed that after twenty years training in colleges and universities man should reach such a station wherein he will deny the existence of the ideal or that which is not perceptible to the senses. Have you ever stopped to think that the animal already has graduated from such a university? Have you ever realized that the cow is already a professor emeritus of that university? For the cow without hard labor and study is already a philosopher of the superlative degree in the school of nature. The cow denies everything that is not tangible, saying, 'I can see! I can eat! Therefore, I believe only in that which is tangible!'

"Then why should we go to the colleges? Let us go to the cow."

:)
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
”Strange indeed that after twenty years training in colleges and universities man should reach such a station wherein he will deny the existence of the ideal or that which is not perceptible to the senses. Have you ever stopped to think that the animal already has graduated from such a university? Have you ever realized that the cow is already a professor emeritus of that university? For the cow without hard labor and study is already a philosopher of the superlative degree in the school of nature. The cow denies everything that is not tangible, saying, 'I can see! I can eat! Therefore, I believe only in that which is tangible!'

"Then why should we go to the colleges? Let us go to the cow."

:)
On the behalf of cows, that's rather offensive.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Assuming you believe in an afterlife for people, what about animals? Do they have souls? Will you walk your Golden Retriever on the golden streets?
I fully expect my Golden Retriever, my two Cocker Spaniels, and my two Collies to be waiting for me. Not to mention a decent sized bunch of cats.

And frankly, I'd rather spend eternity with my dogs than with most people...
You and me both.

You'll like the story in my next post, Antiochian...
 
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Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead.

He remembered dying, and that the dog had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while they came to a high, white, stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight.

When he was standing before it, he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother of pearl and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold.

He and the dog walked toward the gate and, as he got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side. When he was close enough he called out, "Excuse me, where are we?"

"This is heaven, sir," the man answered.

"Wow! Would you happen to have some water?" the man asked.

"Of course, sir. Come right in and I'll have some ice water brought right up."

The man gestured and the gate began to open.

"Can my dog come in too?" the traveler asked.

"I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets."

The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going. After another long walk and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road which led through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence.

As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book.

"Excuse me" he called to the reader, "Do you have any water?"

"Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there." The man pointed to a place that couldn't be seen from outside the gate. "Come on in."

"How about my friend here?" the traveler gestured to the dog.

"There should be a bowl by the pump," the man said. They went through the gate and, sure enough, there was an old fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveler filled the bowl and took a long drink himself. Then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man, who was standing by then, waiting for them.

"What do you call this place?" the traveler asked.

"This is heaven," was the answer.

"Well, that's confusing," the traveler said. "The man down the road said that was heaven too."

"Oh, you mean the place with the gold street and pearly gates? Nope. That's hell."

"Doesn't it make you mad for them to use your name like that?"

"No. I can see how you might think so, but we're just happy that they screen out the folks who'll leave their dogs behind."

Author Unknown
 
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Me Myself

Back to my username
A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead.

He remembered dying, and that the dog had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while they came to a high, white, stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight.

When he was standing before it, he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother of pearl and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold.

He and the dog walked toward the gate and, as he got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side. When he was close enough he called out, "Excuse me, where are we?"

"This is heaven, sir," the man answered.

"Wow! Would you happen to have some water?" the man asked.

"Of course, sir. Come right in and I'll have some ice water brought right up."

The man gestured and the gate began to open.

"Can my dog come in too?" the traveler asked.

"I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets."

The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going. After another long walk and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road which led through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence.

As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book.

"Excuse me" he called to the reader, "Do you have any water?"

"Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there." The man pointed to a place that couldn't be seen from outside the gate. "Come on in."

"How about my friend here?" the traveler gestured to the dog.

"There should be a bowl by the pump," the man said. They went through the gate and, sure enough, there was an old fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveler filled the bowl and took a long drink himself. Then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man, who was standing by then, waiting for them.

"What do you call this place?" the traveler asked.

"This is heaven," was the answer.

"Well, that's confusing," the traveler said. "The man down the road said that was heaven too."

"Oh, you mean the place with the gold street and pearly gates? Nope. That's hell."

"Doesn't it make you mad for them to use your name like that?"

"No. I can see how you might think so, but we're just happy that they screen out the folks who'll leave their dogs behind."

Author Unknown

It´s a nice story :)
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
There is no difference between the soul of an animal and the soul of a human being...

The Baha'i Faith states otherwise.

While humans have animal attributes (just as each level of Creation exhibits attributes of lower levels), IOV only humans have eternal souls and go on to the Next Life!

Peace,

Bruce
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis


The Baha'i Faith states otherwise.

While humans have animal attributes (just as each level of Creation exhibits attributes of lower levels), IOV only humans have eternal souls and go on to the Next Life!

Peace,

Bruce
What makes humans special?

Does that extend to other human species such as the Neandethal, H. Erectus, and so on?
Does it extend to humanoid, extraterrestrial life ?
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Assuming you believe in an afterlife for people, what about animals? Do they have souls? Will you walk your Golden Retriever on the golden streets?

Being more or less agnostic about life after death, although I lean towards belief in an afterlife, I'd have to take the fence.

Assuming people do survive death, I'd imagine animals must as well in some form or other. And frankly, I'd rather spend eternity with my dogs than with most people...

Those elements of the Jewish tradition that postulate eternality of the soul seem to divide into two groups: those who do not believe that animals have any kind of soul, and those who believe that animals do have souls, but their souls are of a lower, cruder kind than human souls, and do not have the same kind of eternality.
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Does that extend to other human species such as the Neandethal, H. Erectus, and so on?

No doubt. Humans have always been humans regardless of physical characteristics.

Does it extend to humanoid, extraterrestrial life ?

The Baha'i scriptures have no problem whatever with life on other planets! (This doesn't necessarily imply, please note, that such life is necessarily advanced--let alone intelligent.)

What makes humans special?


I quote the Baha'i scriptures:

”O SON OF BOUNTY!
“Out of the wastes of nothingness, with the clay of My command I made thee to appear, and have ordained for thy training every atom in existence and the essence of all created things. Thus, ere thou didst issue from thy mother’s womb, I destined for thee two founts of gleaming milk, eyes to watch over thee, and hearts to love thee. Out of My loving-kindness, ’neath the shade of My mercy I nurtured thee, and guarded thee by the essence of My grace and favor. And My purpose in all this was that thou mightest attain My everlasting dominion and become worthy of My invisible bestowals….”
--The Hidden Words, Part One, #32

XXVII "Having created the world and all that liveth and moveth therein, He, through the direct operation of His unconstrained and sovereign Will, chose to confer upon man the unique distinction and capacity to know Him and to love Him--a capacity that must needs be regarded as the generating impulse and the primary purpose underlying the whole of creation.... Upon the inmost reality of each and every created thing He hath shed the light of one of His names, and made it a recipient of the glory of one of His attributes. Upon the reality of man, however, He hath focused the radiance of all of His names and attributes, and made it a mirror of His own Self. Alone of all created things man hath been singled out for so great a favor, so enduring a bounty."
Gleanings, p. 65

Best! :)

Bruce
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I am completely certain that whatever happens to all the other living organisms on earth when they die is exactly what will happen to me. It would be foolish to claim that I know what that is, though, as there are no first hand accounts.
 
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