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Creation evidence

Jonsul

Ehh....
I just want an evidence thread^^
Post evidence and have fun :D

But biased and opinionated comments that are to start arguments shouldn't be here, I don't care if you talk about things or your opinion in a friendly way.
If you want to debate it start an evidence debate thread.

I put it here cause this is the only forum for creationism, I saw threads for evolution news that don't seem like debate threads so I assumed this was the general place to post anything related to this topic.

Sorry if there was any confusion^^
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
No one's here to start arguments. Arguing and debating are completely different things.

Arguing is: "I'm right!" "No you're not!" "Yes I am!" "No you're not!" etc...

Debating is: "This is right and here's why..." "That's incorrect and here's why..." "No, that's incorrect and here's why..." etc... Notice the lack of accusative pronouns?

Nobody's attacking you or your beliefs.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I see, you don't want to debate, because you know that as soon as someone posts the facts, other people will see these frauds and fakes as just that, so you want to just post your lies and not have them be refuted by the facts, is that right?

They're phony, Jonsul. Fake. They've been busted. They're bogus frauds. Want me to post the research that debunks each of these forgeries and shams?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Doesn't disprove anything, just shows that there needs to be more evidence.
No, they're phony.
just like that for evolution
do you even know what the evidence for evolution is? Do you even know what the theory of evolution says?

What about the other ones?
Fake, phony, discredited, bogus frauds. And I can prove it.

But like I said this isn't a debate
Of course not. If it were, you would lose.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Why are you so aggresive on this?
Because I care about the truth.
I've read those sources as well before this.
Apparently not, unless you're either stupid or in denial.
But nothing can be proved or disproved.
True. That's why science cares about evidence, not proof.
There are tests to prove and disprove it all, but all it shows is that nobody is sure
Nope. We're as sure as we can be, as sure as we are that the world is round, that these are bogus phony fakes.

I am merely putting up claimed evidence.
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Why? To demonstrate what liars creationists are?
And I'm not claiming anything is true or not and I'm not promoting anything
all I'm saying is that it is interesting^^
Interesting how far creationists will go to try to persuade gullible people?


I forgot one



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Evidence 8: Dino Blood

Dinosaur blood found in dinosaur fossils believed to be 65 million years old. It is accepted that blood can only last several thousand years.
Oh baloney. Are you gullible? Or are you a liar too?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I'm not here to debate
I know, you just want to post your lies and get away with it.
It seems like your here to start fights.
Right. It's our fault for pointing out lies when we see them, not yours for posting them.
That's not what I'm here for, I'm only collecting resources into one resource for users on this forum. If this bothers you what I'm doing you can just leave because I'm not going to acknowledge your attempts to start an argument.
Buh-bye.

I'm happy you posted those links to contradicting tests for the evidence, as it helps scientifically advance each piece of evidence and helps build an unbiased view in this resource.
You don't know the half of it.

Wait--you don't want to debate, but you're happy we posted material contradicting yours? That's inconsistent.

So true^^
That's what I'm trying to do is make an unbiased resource of creation evidence :D
There is no such thing. Any unbiased resource will show that ToE is true, robust, and well-supported.
That doesn't assume anything is true, but that it's interesting
I don't find baloney particularly interesting.
In my own opinion, it's a topic we'll never know the truth about.
Why not? Don't you think that science works?
And is probably not that important in the whole scheme of things. But I like seeing the evidence that comes up on both sides
I think that science is important, as well as possible.
 

Jonsul

Ehh....
I find it sad that nobody can post a positive discussion of anything the majority doesn't feel is right without it automatically bringing a flame. Of course I should have known as throughout history people have always been subjugated for what they believe. Years ago is was religious, people hunting those of other religions such as witchcraft. Then social topics such as what happened during the red scare, man and women on the prow for anything that might suggest communism sympathy. Soon it could be scientific beliefs, with a witch hunt for creationists. You can see it happening right now when somebody speaks aloud with creationist sympathies, and the public goes mad. Accusations fly putting into question one's character. People assume one is ignorant for believing something different about something that is in the end so trivial even in the smallest of pictures. Maybe I thought that the everybody here was above this.

People marking others off who could of been great friends to them at one point in time. All on matters so trivial that it's astounding. Nobody knows who they talk to online yet one would think everyone knows everybody. Because they treat each other like that. You assume I'm ignorant because I posted some evidence with a sketchy background. I knew this, and I'm not acting like it's not true. Am I a bad person for finding such things interesting? There are online tests on both sides that support and disclaim each evidence, but how do you know what's in them is true. Either test can be true or fake on both sides of the tracks. How can I think that any of that evidence is true? Because whether or not it's real, it's out there. And because I can't be sure I take it as simply an interesting thing.

The worst thing is I haven't taken position on any side. All I did was show creationist sympathies by posting some evidence I found interesting. I'm not even promoting it all, I just said it's interesting. In truth I haven't taken a side and I probably won't, because it doesn't matter what happened in the beginning. And to argue about things like that really is ignorant. All that matters is what is happening now, and what is coming.

I have been called a liar, that all I want to do is post lies, and people have pointed out that I may be stupid. If this is not being attacked then what is? This for something I haven't even stated that I believed. Just for the fact that I could even think it's interesting. I try to keep an open mind to all things, whether it messes with my beliefs or not. I was hoping everyone here would be more open minded, but I should have known everyone wouldn't be completely. Be mad at me if you want I don't care and it doesn't change what I think. I'll also thank those that gave me advice without being mean about it, thanks for your Patience^^

The truth of the matter is that nothing in this world can be proven. How do you know that I can see what I see? Maybe I can describe it to you, maybe I can show it to you. If the world comes to see it, does it prove what I see exists? So is fact just simply what the majority claims to be true? What if you take my word for it, does that make it fact? Do you realize how much in your life you assume to be true. How do you know if da Vinci ever really existed? No you can never truly know anything is fact, you can only choose to believe it is. And so anything has as much a chance to be right as anything else, even against the majority held belief.

So much of science and what we accept to be true is built on what the majority accepted so many years ago that truth be told science cannot be trusted completely. If one thing is found to have fault the whole system could shatter. And the system is shaky enough as it is. How did the first life come to start? Is the theory of relativity true? You know there is now growing a number of scientists that are starting to think it may not be? Where is the dark matter that should be just as common as normal matter?

What's funny is that we've been like this since history has been first recorded, and you'd think we would have evolved past this by now. Or maybe it's just coming to a head, maybe this is where we've been going all this time. As our race gets more and more involved with information it may just get worse as time goes on. Maybe as evolution suggests this will come to an ultimatum. A final between science and religion with the most fittest going on. You can tell it's building to this, you can almost feel the tension growing. It's to the point where people burst out with almost pure hatred just over who has the right belief, science or religion. I enjoy religion and I enjoy science and I don't see why it should happen like this. It shouldn't matter in the end, any belief no matter how crazy it is shouldn't incite anger.

The majority usually don't open their minds to others, maybe because those who defeat other beliefs survive; but If this is who we've become through all these years, then it makes me happy not to be counted along with the majority.

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I'm not sure if you've heard this one but I'm quoting it from, Unexplainable Odds
I don't know if this man is correct, I'm not good coming up with statistics. But it's interesting, and I don't say I believe this at all. Honestly the source seems alittle biased towards evolution, but as I said nothing can be certain and it's interesting. And the only reason I'm posting this is because it goes against the majority with an neat argument.

"The simplest known living organism has over 500 amino acids. When amino acids form, they are less than one-millionth the size of a human hair. When they form, they form with side groups of atoms. Scientist have found that all non-living amino acids form with 50% of side atoms on the right side of the acid and 50% on the left. This is true on all non-living amino acids. Living cells can ONLY contain amino acids on the left side. ALL amino acids found in every single living cell contains only left-sided amino acids. In the most favorable environment of scientific labs, this has never been duplicated. No scientist has ever created the left-handed amino acid that is critical to the formation of life. All amino acids always form with left and right sided atoms. If scientist in perfect conditions can't duplicate one single left-sided amino acid, how could the 500 necessary for life form by chance? The scientific odds of even one left-sided amino acid forming by chance is 10 to the 123rd power. In other words 1 chance in 10 followed by 123 zeros. i.e. 1 in
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000 Compare this to the rediculous odds of winning the lottery which is 1 chance in 80,000,000. And evolutionists say Christians have blind faith. But those are not the odds of life forming. It gets worse. That is only one of the 500 aminos necessary for the simplest life form. 20 specific aminos are needed for the simplest cell, but 500 in order for life to sustain in itself. The odds get worse. Those 500 different types of amino acids have to 'evolve' within a fraction of a millimeter of each other just to give them the chance of uniting. It gets worse. They also have to 'by chance' evolve at the exact same moment in time in a process that scientist say takes hundreds of millions of years. Elements break down the amino acids, so timing is critical. The chances of all these resources falling into place at the exact same time with the exact needed elements at the exact same place on earth within a few millionths of a millimeter of each other are 1 to the ERROR..Calculation overflow. Sorry, my Pentium doesn't have enough memory to even write the number."
Like I said so much of what we accept is fact is so shaky.
 
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Luminous

non-existential luminary
:popcorn: : better than an action movie. :D :D :D :D :D

Could the mods move this thread to a general discussions or something.
:rolleyes:: some people are deeply hurt that Jonsul does not care about their 'very good' opinions.
 
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Jonsul

Ehh....

That was a neat read^^
Too bad all it was were bubble like membranes, if it was more maybe everyone can put an end to all of this. Now all they need is to find how to make the right amino-acids lol

Don't worry I love their opinions, I just was insulted when some people claimed that I knowingly want to post lies -_-

[edit] and for the record I do believe da Vinci existed:D
I was just using it for example
 
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Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
So much of science and what we accept to be true is built on what the majority accepted so many years ago that truth be told science cannot be trusted completely.
This is about as vacuous and paranoid a statement as one might imagine. Let us all quake in the face of this sinister scientific conspiracy, this threat to revealed truth, this vulgar repudiation of the marvels of Intelligent Design and Yeti sightings.

It's a bit like swamp gas complaining that cement is insufficiently substantive ... :rolleyes:
 
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Jonsul

Ehh....
This is about as vacuous and paranoid a statement as one might imagine. Let us all quake in the face of this sinister scientific conspiracy, this threat to revealed truth, this vulgar repudiation of the marvels of Intelligent Design and Yeti sitings.

It's a bit like swamp gas complaining that cement is insufficiently substantive ... :rolleyes:

I don't think some conspiracy is going on^^
just pointing out that nothing is as it appears, and that no one can be sure.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Unexplainable odds?.... Plucking numbers out of thin air.
The simplest life on earth has still been evolving for 4 billion years.

Its like watching a chimp use a tool and then saying that computers are impossible.

Origin Of Life On Earth: Simple Fusion To Jump-start Evolution
YouTube - The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis

I have never said that you are lying or that you are stupid. I have said that the people you link to are known to be less than honest, and that your credulity could use a bit of dusting off.

Thus far none of your 'evidence' shows anything but a willingness to see what is desired, not what actually is. It does nothing to 'prove' creationism in any way.

Is the theory of relativity true? You know there is now growing a number of scientists that are starting to think it may not be?
Got a source for this? Because none of the Physicists I know have ever hinted at such a thing. And we often talk about scientific controversies, as they find the Evo/Creo debate mind boggling.

wa:do
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Now all they need is to find how to make the right amino-acids lol
You apparently haven't heard about how common amino acids are in the universe.
We found amino acids floating around space back in 2002.

This highlights one of the biggest problems with creationism, they don't keep up. They still use the same arguments from the early 1900's... arguments that have been refuted for decades and buried by scientific evidence.

I guess some things don't evolve. ;)

wa:do
 

Jonsul

Ehh....
Unexplainable odds?.... Plucking numbers out of thin air.
The simplest life on earth has still been evolving for 4 billion years.

Its like watching a chimp use a tool and then saying that computers are impossible.

Origin Of Life On Earth: Simple Fusion To Jump-start Evolution
YouTube - The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis

I have never said that you are lying or that you are stupid. I have said that the people you link to are known to be less than honest, and that your credulity could use a bit of dusting off.

Thus far none of your 'evidence' shows anything but a willingness to see what is desired, not what actually is. It does nothing to 'prove' creationism in any way.

Is the theory of relativity true? You know there is now growing a number of scientists that are starting to think it may not be?
Got a source for this? Because none of the Physicists I know have ever hinted at such a thing. And we often talk about scientific controversies, as they find the Evo/Creo debate mind boggling.

wa:do
Don't worry I wasn't talking about you.
I've enjoyed most of the things you've posted honestly.

Don't worry like I've said I'm not trying to prove anything.

Hmmm... I remember them interviewing a several scientists who are rejecting the theory. It was in a documentary I saw several months ago. I was just using it as an example that nothing is set, but I'll look for a link for you :)

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We found amino acids floating around space back in 2002.
Like I said I don't know enough about what he was saying to know for sure.
Are the amino acids floating around of the living type, or non-living type? As aparently that's what's so hard is making the left sided ones
 
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painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I'd apreciate it... I've yet to actually meet a professional scientist who is either a creationist or a physicist that is anti-relativity. (though there was a student who thought he disproved Einstein.. turns out he made a basic but crippling mistake in his math that he refused to see.)

Its hard to argue that Nuclear bombs don't work. ;)

wa:do
 
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