Wannabe Yogi
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Not snobbish to me. Sounds like common sense.
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Creationism in the Classroom - Research Project
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Not snobbish to me. Sounds like common sense.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Uh.. dude, I live in Mobile, Alabama, and you don't get any further south than that... (figuratively, not geographically). I was born and raised here, went to a southern baptist church, and even had a disclaimer on evolution in my high-school biology book... But this is still definitely the US. I've been been all over the place, and it's not that different. I'm sure that based off my background you would pin me as a Bush loving, church going, truck driven, conservative.... when I'm actually a an agnostic, liberal, web developer who hates NASCAR. And almost all of my friends and family are pretty similar...
I'm just saying, you shouldn't generalize geographical regions of the US. The world's a much smaller place now-a-days...
P.S.: Nobody down here could care less if you're a "yankee". Unless you've got a really thick Boston accent or something, then I'll bet no-one could tell.
I know there is good people all over the world. To me the rest of the USA ( not counting places like Vermont, Seatle ect...) feels much different then my home the Francisco Bay Area.
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
Wow is that the choice
Bush isn't as big of a believer in suffering and pain as Mother Theresa.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
At least Mother Teresa will know the truth now.
Perhaps Bush can soon find out the same way.
imaginaryme
Active Member
Blasphemy! Hate NASCAR!?!? "Generalizing" is just one of those things people do; for instance, there is a Mason-Dixon line. I wasn't a Yankee until I walked to Florida. I also didn't have an accent until I moved from Massatucky. I generalize areas, I stereotype groups, but I take people as they come.Uh.. dude, I live in Mobile, Alabama, and you don't get any further south than that... (figuratively, not geographically). I was born and raised here, went to a southern baptist church, and even had a disclaimer on evolution in my high-school biology book... But this is still definitely the US. I've been been all over the place, and it's not that different. I'm sure that based off my background you would pin me as a Bush loving, church going, truck driven, conservative.... when I'm actually a an agnostic, liberal, web developer who hates NASCAR. And almost all of my friends and family are pretty similar...
I'm just saying, you shouldn't generalize geographical regions of the US. The world's a much smaller place now-a-days...
P.S.: Nobody down here could care less if you're a "yankee". Unless you've got a really thick Boston accent or something, then I'll bet no-one could tell.
From your approach, we don't have a problem; other than the fact that I am not guilty on all counts. "I" don't "pin" generalizations to individuals; and in this case, I merely agreed with a observation made by another... like so: I don't like NASCAR either.
As a scientific theory? Absolutely not. As a belief held by many? Yes.
Only in Social Studies, Anthropology, or World/Comparative Religions.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Another cigar for Terry, who brings in the right answer again: atheism.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
You shoudl know creationism in the classroom is illegal by federal law.
It holds no educational value for children in primary school. If it had any place in school, it would be in the phylosophy section, a subject which is perhaps to advanced for children of that age.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Atheism is definitely the usual choice for atheists... (that has a nice symmetry)
However for Christians and those with other faiths it is not.
in public schools.
That is a good question for DaisyRach. What kind of school are we talking about?
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
When I was in high school, they made us study Greek Mythology as part of an English class. I didn't do well because my heart wasn't in it. I see making kids study anything from an Abrahamic bible as the same. Even if you try to classify it as educating them on another culture, the ones that are not of that religion and/or do not have a passion for it are going to suffer through while the ones that are all about it will excel. The ones that excel will have learned nothing new and neither will the others. The only exception to this would be for a private school. If you attend a Catholic school, by all means, teach the kids your ways. This should be expected by those enrolling.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Is it your position that the same proposition can be both true and false?
ragordon168
Active Member
it could be made into an elective class instead of a block in a compulsary course like english.
when i was in high school we had to do RE as a compulsary subject but the teacher knew that some people had no interest in the subject so said that if you didnt want to learn you could go sit in a spare room and study while the rest of us worked on various topics like faith, mythology and philosophy.
i knew someone that did that, they sent their five year old daughter to a catholic school as it was the 'best one in town' but were then horrified when she began to talk about catholic beliefs
richardlowellt
Well-Known Member
Creationism is religion plan and simple, religion has no place is public schools, it belongs in either your church or your home. As a tax payer I don't want one penny of my taxes to go to teaching religion. And what of the children who are brought up Atheists? How would you of religion feel if there were classes dealing with the non-existence of god? How about a class called God The Failed Hypothesis (How Science Proves That God Does Not Exist) It could actually be considered a science course. Keep your religion to yourself, its a private matter, keep it that way.
ragordon168
Active Member
leaving it up to parents to teach about religion is a bad idea. teaching about your own religion is easy enough but trying to teach about a religion you know nothing about leads to misconceptions and fear.
think about islam. the general public had no real idea about the religion and after 9/11 this ignorance has lead to people thinking all muslims are planning to kill you when you turn your back to them. the news talks about the worst aspects of islamic society and now islamophobia is a huge problem in some places.
racist organizations like the kkk and BNP have moved their focus from black people to islam as they see this as a way to mainstream their hate.
richardlowellt
Well-Known Member
I do understand what you are saying and agree to a point, but pubic school is not the place to reach religion, and the original post had to do with teaching creationism in public schools. I see nothing wrong with an after school elective teaching about the basic foundations of all religions. Islam has a real problem as every day we see and hear about islamic terrorists and it never seems to end. I think the knee jerk reaction is to blame all muslims. They have not done much to dispel the belief that all of islam is fanatical, the cartoon posted, I think from Denmark, that met such a fire storm of protest by the islamic community, the authors life was threatened, and I think his driver was actually killed, and so it continues, day after day of horrific violence by islamic fanatics.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
I think it would be a great class in philosophy. Teach the ethics of Bertrand Russell right alongside maybe Reinhold Niebuhr. Each view of religion must be included. You see the problem with your view is that unless you truly understand religion you are unable to comprehend human history. You would agree it has been the cause of many wars in the past.
ragordon168
Active Member
since our countries are becoming rapidly more diverse the need to understand these cultures rises. think about migrant workers (S.Americans in the US and eastern europeans and africans in Europe) they come in and bring their native culture with them but end up stck in areas made up almost entirely of people from their native land as the difference between the societies is to overwhelming and acceptance is rare.
i remember a polish boy in my high school - the only one there - and he had to sit with the teachers at lunch as nobody wanted to sit with him because he was 'different'.
the firestorm i think is more of a culture shock. christianity and judaism have been taking a bashing for years and have been joked about and moved into the sidelines of mainstream life. islam however is a major part of life for them and nobody insults or mocks it. when that cartoon came out as a joke they saw it as a genuine insult.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
That's not different than math or any other subject, though. Some kids like math, some don't. So, those who like it will excel, and those who don't won't. That doesn't mean we shouldn't teach math, though.
Every subject has value, even religion/mythology. These subjects teach us about other cultures, which I think is very important. Learning how other cultural groups think and what affects them in which ways can be extremely helpful in interacting with them successfully.