Creationism is an insult to God.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So what in your opinion is the work of God?

If God is the ultimate creator of the universe, then evolution by common descent over several billion years would fit that bill.

Creationism includes more than 'God created the world exactly 6,000 years ago'.

Technically yes, but I think that in common usage these days, "creationism" at the very least includes rejection of evolution.

 

[MiniBoglins]

If God is the ultimate creator of the universe, then evolution by common descent over several billion years would fit that bill.

If that is the case why do no holy books in the world mention evolution by common descent?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

If that is the case why do no holy books in the world mention evolution by common descent?

Because the people who wrote those books were ignorant of the concept of evolution.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Creationism includes more than 'God created the world exactly 6,000 years ago'.

For this thread, I am using the common use.

...the term is more commonly used to refer to religiously motivated rejection of certain biological processes, in particular much of evolution....
Wiki

 

[averageJOE]

"Creationism" boils down to the belief that god needs to continuosly micromanage his work. It's insulting.

 

[tumbleweed41]

If that is the case why do no holy books in the world mention evolution by common descent?

For the same reason no holy book mentions the relativity of time and space.

 

[waitasec]

You are entitled to these opinions, and that was interesting reading your beliefs but it just sounds like you have alot of anger in you,

i'm sorry, what?
where in the OP did you pick that up? could it be the voice in your head is yelling at you?

 

[waitasec]

If that is the case why do no holy books in the world mention evolution by common descent?

because the authors were ignorant of science...:areyoucra

 

[waitasec]

Well all of the holy books in the world support creationism (creation stories). So it's really a bit silly if you are saying Creationism is an insult to God. The holy books support creationism so basically you are saying all of the worlds holy books are an insult to God.

so you see god as an insecure being who hides behind assumptions...
what is morally wrong with believing in empirical evidence?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Creationism is nothing more than the denial by so called believers in God in the natural works of God.
Supporters of the Literal Creation argue that God is not intelligent enough to produce determinate outcomes using statistical causation and the very Laws that control this universe.
In other words, Creationists base reality on some old Crib Notes on creation rather than reading God's thesis found in the world around us.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If that is the case why do no holy books in the world mention evolution by common descent?

I can think of at least one explanation for that.

However, even if you assume that these holy books are true, I think that you're going at it backward if you're suggesting that we should shape our understanding of the universe based on our understanding of these scriptures.

From the standpoint of the theist who believes in God the Creator, the entire universe is the pure, unadulterated work of God. Words can change over time or be misinterpreted (and the concepts contained within them can be complete misunderstandings of the subject matter from the outset) but the evidence that's all around us is what it is.

A holy book is, at the very least, the work of the original human scribe. It's usually also the work of the copyists who came later, transcribing and translating it. The belief system that arises from it is also the work of priests and theologians who derive meaning from it based on their judgement and interpretation. If you're lucky, there's a god at the beginning of that process, but whatever message that god might've given is viewed through the filter of human interpretation, usually over centuries.

In contrast, if the universe really is the work of God, then the characteristics of radioactive decay, for instance, are the work of God and no one else.

It's not up to science to reconcile itself with holy books; it's up to the holy books to reconcile themselves with science... or risk being discarded.

 

[tumbleweed41]

It's not up to science to reconcile itself with holy books; it's up to the holy books to reconcile themselves with science... or risk being discarded.

:yes:

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is not found in the bible

either are airplanes, microwaves and cars but you use them and believe in them because they are reality the same way evolution is.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

More importantly, creationsim is an insult to reason and knowledge. Insulting vague, nebulous concepts of some type of non-existent entity doesn't really mean much.

 

[tumbleweed41]

... some type of non-existent entity doesn't really mean much.

For the purpose of this thread, we are assuming that God "may" exist. And if so, how Creationism demeans such an entity.

 

[painted wolf]

I agree... creationism doesn't simply limit God to a limited interpretation of the Torah, it limits Gods' power to that which people can understand.

You often here.. "I don't think evolution is possible"... this limits God to only being able to do what the person speaking can imagine... and worse, to only what the person wants to imagine rather than to try to understand.

Understanding evolution requires understanding creation (ie the natural world) while Bible literalista demand that you ignore what God made and simply accept their interpretation of scripture.

To do so you need to accept a weak, unimaginative, deceptive and deeply flawed god.... It places a book of scripture above the deity the scripture is supposed to enlighten the reader to.. It makes the bible an idol to be worshiped and obeyed unquestioningly.

wa:do

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Evolution is not found in the bible, the hindu scriptures, the torah, the koran or any other holy book

Actually the Baha'i Holy Scriptures and the concept of Evolution do Not disagree. Neither the Bible disagrees necessarily, unless it is interpreted literally.
The evolution theory does not deny creative power.


Bahá’u’lláh teaches that the universe is without beginning in time. It is a perpetual emanation from the Great First Cause. The Creator always had His creation and always will have....The creation of a world, a daisy or a human body is not “making something out of nothing”; it is rather a bringing together of elements which before were scattered, a making visible of something which before was hidden.

Bahá’u’lláh confirms the scientists who claim, not six thousand, but millions and billions of years for the history of the earth’s creation. The evolution theory does not deny creative power.

The old account in the Book of Genesis had, however, the advantage of indicating by a few bold strokes of symbolism the essential spiritual meanings of the story, as a master painter may, by a few strokes of the brush, convey expressions which the mere plodder with the most laborious attention to details may utterly fail to portray. If the material details blind us to the spiritual meaning, then we should be better without them...


‘Abdu’l-Bahá says:—
Know that it is one of the most abstruse spiritual truths that the world of existence, that is to say this endless universe, has no beginning. …

… Know that … a creator without a creature is impossible, a provider without those provided for cannot be conceived; for all the divine names and attributes demand the existence of beings. If we could imagine a time when no beings existed, this imagination would be the denial of the Divinity of God. Moreover, absolute non-existence cannot become existence. If the beings were absolutely non-existent, existence would not have come into being. Therefore, as the Essence of Unity, that is the existence of God, is everlasting and eternal—that is to say, it has neither beginning nor end—it is certain that this world of existence … has neither beginning nor end. … it may be that one of the parts of the universe, one of the globes, for example, may come into existence, or may be disintegrated, but the other endless globes are still existing. … As each globe has a beginning, necessarily it has an end, because every composition, collective or particular, must of necessity be decomposed; the only difference is that some are quickly decomposed, and others more slowly, but it is impossible that a composed thing should not eventually be decomposed.—Some Answered Questions, pp. 209–210.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, Pages 204-206


Also some scientists believe that universe always existed:

Cosmology: Going round in circles | The Economist

 

[The_Evelyonian]

I agree... creationism doesn't simply limit God to a limited interpretation of the Torah, it limits Gods' power to that which people can understand.

You often here.. "I don't think evolution is possible"... this limits God to only being able to do what the person speaking can imagine... and worse, to only what the person wants to imagine rather than to try to understand.

Understanding evolution requires understanding creation (ie the natural world) while Bible literalista demand that you ignore what God made and simply accept their interpretation of scripture.

To do so you need to accept a weak, unimaginative, deceptive and deeply flawed god.... It places a book of scripture above the deity the scripture is supposed to enlighten the reader to.. It makes the bible an idol to be worshiped and obeyed unquestioningly.

wa:do

I'm reminded of that Carl Sagan quote:

How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way."

 

[ellenjanuary]

The title of this thread come on it's a bit harsh, creationism an insult to God? Do you honestly believe that deep down. It's an insult to believe God created you? Are there any creationists on this forum? This is a religious forum but all i see is people attacking creationism. Creationism really is not bad. Think about suicide bombers blowing people up in the world they are bad... if you want to moan about them id support you.

Creationism. Is. An. Insult. To. God.
That clear enough for ya? I believe it enough to witness. Remember that word?

 

[ellenjanuary]

Is that guy really banned? I was just... you know. Can't stand this stuff sometimes, but this particular OP; just like the title says... it is an insult. "Evolution ain't in the Bible," the heck is that all about? What is Ecclesiastes 3:19 on about, then? Since the Bible clearly forbids the mixing of kinds, seems to me any Creationist who eats chicken or has a dog does not have a leg to stand on. The Biblical evidence against Creationism, in my not-so-humble opinion, is overwhelming.