Creationism v Evolution.

[Joseph Stephen]

Salaam alakium everyone, as one exploring Islam how does Quranic teaching explain Neanderthal/Piltdown man when Allah/God created Adam (pbuh)? Surely this is not intended to be taken literally as science tells us so much about origin. Have Quran with scientific indices but doesn't seem to answer . Thanks for your replies in advance.

 

[Sapiens]

As a point of information, Neanderthals actually existed but Piltdown man was a fraud, so your question is a bit difficult to parse.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Salaam alakium everyone, as one exploring Islam how does Quranic teaching explain Neanderthal/Piltdown man when Allah/God created Adam (pbuh)? Surely this is not intended to be taken literally as science tells us so much about origin. Have Quran with scientific indices but doesn't seem to answer . Thanks for your replies in advance.

Piltdown was a fraud.

Origin of your actions is your decisions. For the rest of the universe it's no different, all origins is by decisions. The correct meaning of choosing is to make one of alternative futures the present, or to make a possible future the present or not.

The science about how to describe a decision is not matured yet. You can see the wiki on free will is a bit of a mess, which would not happen if the mathematics of choosing had been worked out. So in the most important sense, science cannot describe the origins of anything whatsoever.

It is very important for being a muslim that you get a could sense of the facts of how things are decided in the world and the universe and by people, and that you develop an opinion on the sort of spirit by which the decision turned out the way it did.

And descendancy is of much lesser direct religious significance than origins.

 

[Rogn]

To be honest i think believers are much more better to take creationism. Although yes its unscientific, it atleast defends your religion in terms of belief base. I mean from what i know anybody who tells lies against allah or reject his signs etc. Is one example why one should not go to a scientific origin of earth but stick to what the scriptures tells you to believe. Because then one might aswell say anything in terms of what scriptures say which is false teachings.

Quran: 3:70
O People of the Scripture, why do you disbelieve in the verses of Allah while you witness [to their truth]?​

Now this means that from my understanding is that god created the earth in six days, it says it also in the quran. And i know christian evolutionists have tried to say "Oh well, alegory. Problem solved". But in that case one might aswell believe in fairies if its not supposed to be true at all, like i could say. Well i believe in evolution to be a fact, but i find gnomes, witches to have a deeper meaning on that level. I mean thats more wishy washy thinking.

Although i dont believe in creationism i would more recommend it to believers if i had to choose anything to keep on believing. I watched Ken Ham, to anyone interested.

 

[DawudTalut]

Salaam alakium everyone, as one exploring Islam how does Quranic teaching explain Neanderthal/Piltdown man when Allah/God created Adam (pbuh)? Surely this is not intended to be taken literally as science tells us so much about origin. Have Quran with scientific indices but doesn't seem to answer . Thanks for your replies in advance.

Peace be on you.
According to Ahmadiyya Muslim understanding, human came to existence through process of creation+guided+at+each+step+evolution by God, the details from verses of Holy Quran and scientific evidence can be read @ Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth (online) @ Al Islam -Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge and Truth
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/revelation/index.html

Good wishes.

 

[mojtaba]

The Darwinian theory of evolution in biology has still its critics within the scientific community, and is not considered an established fact. However, even if it had been approved, you cannot find any scientific law without exceptions. Moreover, all miracles are exceptions from normal procedures. The birth of Jesus (pbuh), and his creation--with Allah's permission--of birds are clear examples of such miracles and exceptions from the natural procedure of reproduction. Therefore, we, as Shia Muslims, accept the Qur'anic account of the creation of Adam and Eve (pbut) from clay without running into contradiction.

[3:49]
and [Jesus will be] an apostle to the Children of Israel, [and he(Jesus) will declare,] “I have certainly brought you a sign from your Lord: I will create for you the form of a bird out of clay, then I will breathe into it, and it will become a bird by Allah’s leave. I heal the blind and the leper and I revive the dead by Allah’s leave. I will tell you what you have eaten and what you have stored in your houses. There is indeed a sign in that for you, should you be faithful".

 

[mojtaba]

Peace be on you.
According to Ahmadiyya Muslim understanding, human came to existence through process of creation+guided+at+each+step+evolution by God, the details from verses of Holy Quran and scientific evidence can be read @ Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth (online) @ Al Islam -Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge and Truth
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/revelation/index.html

Good wishes.

Salam brother.

So what does this verse mean?

[3:59] "Indeed the case of Jesus with Allah is like the case of Adam: He created him from dust, then said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was."

 

[DawudTalut]

Salam brother.

So what does this verse mean?

[3:59] "Indeed the case of Jesus with Allah is like the case of Adam: He created him from dust, then said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was."

Peace be on you.
Keeping in mind, it is a DIR, and also respecting if you have different understanding, with the help of various verses on the subject, the Ahmadiyya-Muslim understanding about overall picture:

".....In the Quran, dry dust or wet clay are also repeatedly mentioned as stages through which life passed in ancient times. In Surah Al-'Imran, it states:

... He created him (Adam) out of dust (turab)... 4

On the same subject we read the following:

... He created you from clay (humid or moist earth)... 5

Clay is also mentioned in Surah Al-Rahman, but this time it is not wet clay which is referred to for it is clearly stated:

He created man from dry ringing clay like pieces of pottery. 6

Here its quality is described as having a plate-like appearance dry enough to create ringing sounds, like broken pieces of pottery. Again in Surah Al-Hijr, clay is mentioned three times with the added qualification that man is created from dry ringing clay, formed out of dark fermenting mud.*

The overall scenario as presented by the Holy Quran envisions life as having been advanced step by step from dust, from water, from clay and also from fermenting blackish mud which subsequently turned into dry, ringing clay. These last two stages attract particular attention. No man of the era when the Quran was revealed could even remotely relate the creation of man to dry ringing clay made out of stagnant mud.*......."

Source:Life in the Perspective of Quranic Revelations—A Brief Introductory Chapter
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_1.html

 

[mojtaba]

[3:59] "Indeed the case of Jesus with Allah is like the case of Adam: He created him from dust, then said to him, ‘Be,’ and he was."

This verse says that Jesus(pbuh), like Adam(pbuh) was created without a father.
So Adam(pbuh) was not created through evolution of pre-human species.