Creationists: Evolution is No More Unlikely than Embryo Development

[MSizer]

A few weeks after conception, and human looks something like this (sorta part fish, part mollusk, part dog, part jabba the hut):

An adult human looks something like this (in case you don't know -lol):

Now, to get from the first stage to the last stage, several cells begin by following the "rules of cells" so to speak, and develop the latter stage, piece by piece, one cell at a time. What I'm trying to impress is that there is no design. Cells just do as cells do, according to the makeup of the DNA they contain, and the result is a complex organism. That's very much like evolution in that there is no designer necessary. DNA is not a blueprint, it's not a designer, it's a set of parameters, and the result is us (and every other living thing).

Do you see the similarity? It's a process which does not follow a plan, it just follows the rules that are built-in, and complexity results. Does that shed any light in any way on evolution?

 

[Breathe]

A few weeks after conception, and human looks something like this (sorta part fish, part mollusk, part dog, part jabba the hut):

I dunno, I see a dinosaur in there too.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

A few weeks after conception, and human looks something like this ....

What the heck are you talking about? I am not the endresult of some strange gallert "thing".
I was created as a baby the very same way that i came out of my mothers womb.
And actually my mother was a virgin. God magically caused my existence within her womb. Don't you dare say anything else !

I am not some morphed slime-snake

 

[Man of Faith]

If it was just as likely then there wouldn't be all this discussion about it. I can't remember the last time a creationist denied embryo development. The fact is humans produce humans and apes produce apes.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"The fact is humans produce humans and apes produce apes."

Correct. Exactly what ToE predicts and what we observe.

And your point is . . .?

 

[Man of Faith]

"The fact is humans produce humans and apes produce apes."

Correct. Exactly what ToE predicts and what we observe.

And your point is . . .?

That is incorrect, ToE predicts speciation.

 

[MSizer]

If it was just as likely then there wouldn't be all this discussion about it. I can't remember the last time a creationist denied embryo development. The fact is humans produce humans and apes produce apes.

You've missed the whole point, but it was worth a try.

On another note, so is "human" a kind of it's own? There is only one species of human? According to creationists, we're generic (kind) homo and specific sapien? But chimps are generic Pan and specific troglodytes while bonobos are generic (kind) Pan and specific paniscus? Chimps and bonobos get their own kind, while we are one straight line of geneaology all the way down?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

And exactly how do species evolve according to ToE?

And where does ToE predict that an individual organism will be a different species from its parent(s)?

 

[Man of Faith]

You've missed the whole point, but it was worth a try.

On another note, so is "human" a kind of it's own? There is only one species of human? According to creationists, we're generic (kind) homo and specific sapien? But chimps are generic Pan and specific troglodytes while bonobos are generic (kind) Pan and specific paniscus? Chimps and bonobos get their own kind, while we are one straight line of geneaology all the way down?

No, I didn't miss the point, I destroyed your argument in three sentences.

 

[MSizer]

No, I didn't miss the point, I destroyed your argument in three sentences.

Ah yes, just like you destroyed radiochronology and the theory of evolution by natural selection. Sorry, my mistake.

 

[Man of Faith]

And exactly how do species evolve according to ToE?

And where does ToE predict that an individual organism will be a different species from its parent(s)?

You tell us, it's your theory, not mine.

 

[Amill]

That is incorrect, ToE predicts speciation.

Yea, but not speciation within 1 birth lol...you've been told this numerous times yet still fall back on the same lousy arguments.

It's like a child growing, you can't notice an age difference from appearance in a day can you?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

You tell us, it's your theory, not mine.

But you are attacking it. So you should know where it is in error. So please inform us Oh wise and devout One, just what ToE predicts or asserts that is erroneous.

 

[Man of Faith]

Yea, but not speciation within 1 birth lol...you've been told this numerous times yet still fall back on the same lousy arguments.

It's like a child growing, you can't notice an age difference from appearance in a day can you?

Okay, so change happens over millions of years or a long amount of time, well what about the changes that started millons of years ago, they should be comeing to frutrition. That's the problem, somehow, somewhere, evolution stopped, don't make much sense.

 

[Man of Faith]

But you are attacking it. So you should know where it is in error. So please inform us Oh wise and devout One, just what ToE predicts or asserts that is erroneous.

Actually on this thread, I am defending Creationists which is who was attacked.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Okay, so change happens over millions of years or a long amount of time, well what about the changes that started millons of years ago, they should be comeing to frutrition. That's the problem, somehow, somewhere, evolution stopped, don't make much sense.

Ah contraire mon Capitan.
Evolution is going on as we speak. It CANNOT stop. If it did that would be a problem.

Now do please tell us from that vast and perfect fund of knowledge you have demonstrated here - just where is ToE in error.

 

[MSizer]

Okay, so change happens over millions of years or a long amount of time, well what about the changes that started millons of years ago, they should be comeing to frutrition. That's the problem, somehow, somewhere, evolution stopped, don't make much sense.

What are you talking about? Why do you think evolution has stopped?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Actually on this thread, I am defending Creationists which is who was attacked.

Cop out!

 

[Kerr]

If it was just as likely then there wouldn't be all this discussion about it. I can't remember the last time a creationist denied embryo development. The fact is humans produce humans and apes produce apes.

And the fact is that this is what evolution say . The bolded part.

 

[Man of Faith]

And the fact is that this is what evolution say . The bolded part.

No it doesn't, it teaches common ancestry of all species.