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Creationists Fight Eight-Year Old Girl's Proposal

metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Interesting article as I think you'll agree:

Olivia McConnell is only eight years old, but she's already helped introduce a bill to the legislature of her home state of South Carolina, which will name the woolly mammoth as the official state fossil if it's passed.

However, an unexpected challenge to her proposal has arisen in the form of two Republican state senators, Sen. Kevin Bryant and Sen. Mike Fair, who want to amend her bill to make it clear that God created the fossils by adding text from the Bible's book of Genesis.

"I think it's very important that we acknowledge the Creator when we're acknowledging some of his wonderful creations. I don't have a problem acknowledging the Woolly Mammoth as a state fossil," Bryant said, according to Fox Carolina.

Lt. Governor Glenn McConnell, who is not related to Olivia, ruled Bryan's proposed amendment out of order because it introduced a new subject. Bryant proceeded to revise his amendment to describe the Columbian Mammoth “as created on the Sixth Day with the beasts of the field," according to The Daily Beast.

Sen. Mike Fair jumped into the fray on the side of Bryant, placing an objection on the bill. Fair has previously gone on record as saying “To teach that natural selection is the answer to origins is wrong," and has blocked South Carolina from adopting newer education standards on the teaching of evolution.

According to The State, McConnell said that she thinks that South Carolina should have a state fossil because:

1. One of the first discoveries of a vertebrae fossil in North America was on an S.C. plantation when slaves dug up wooly mammoth teeth from a swamp in 1725.

2. All but seven states have an official state fossil.

3. “Fossils tell us about our past.”

Bryant and Fair's proposed amendments have stalled the bill, freezing McConnell's innocent efforts. No word yet on when this legislative ice age is expected to thaw. -- No State Fossil For South Carolina? Schoolgirl Olivia McConnell's Drive Derailed By Creationists

So, whom do you more agree with?
 
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Parsimony

Well-Known Member
What does it matter whether the mammoth was the product of evolution or divine creation? How does that have any bearing whatsoever on whether it can be the state fossil or not? It is what it is...
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I've been holding off on saying this for a while now for the sake of giving the GOP the benefit of the doubt, but it really does appear that it harbors a lot of politicians with lunatic views. This is just a drop in the bucket compared to other things I've read about the stances of some of their most popular members, too.
 
yoda89

yoda89

On Xtended Vacation
I used to live in South Carolina and they are always changing their state symbols. Mostly for political reasoning. If the voters changed their minds the state would easily change. Contrary to popular belief. It is the old money that do not wish change. Despite the fact they love their moonshine and weed. :p

Many of the schools do excel in mathematics and literature. Although education is very outdated in many categories that oppose Christianity.

It is truly the pivot state in the south though. An advancement in such an argument could effect the concepts in even Alabama.
 
Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Considering who they elected to congress, isn't the state it's own fossil?
 
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IHaveTheGift

U know who U R
This isn't about the kid against the officials.
As it stands, she has nothing to do with its amendments, she just wants the fossil to be used as the states official fossil and they agree with her.

How is this her against them when they accept her wishes to use the fossil?

It is them arguing between themselves to amend the fossil to have tags that either support a designer or not, which is retarded, just use it as the official fossil and be done with it.
That has nothing to do with her against them, does it?

+1 for her to realize the fossils importance to the State
 
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GoodbyeDave

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ruffen said:
This is why there is a need for "militant atheism" in the world.
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Rubbish. People don't deny evolution because they have a religion. Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, etc don't deny evolution. The vast majority of Christians accept it: only US Protestants are the odd ones.
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
IHaveTheGift said:
It is them arguing between themselves to amend the fossil to have tags that either support a designer or not, which is retarded, just use it as the official fossil and be done with it.
That has nothing to do with her against them, does it?
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To clarify, their amendment is holding up the bill. Because they want to put an irrelevant, religious item in a bill, this bill is currently stuck. The girl can't have her state fossil, at this time, because of their dumbfounding actions.
 
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IHaveTheGift

U know who U R
Falvlun said:
To clarify, their amendment is holding up the bill. Because they want to put an irrelevant, religious item in a bill, this bill is currently stuck. The girl can't have her state fossil, at this time, because of their dumbfounding actions.
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That's basically what I said.
It's not her against them, she is getting her end of the deal.
They are not telling her she is wrong. :no:

Most bills don't just automatically got through without steps and amendments happen, none of which are saying she is wrong.
Its not "her against them" not even close.
Its just how I see it.
Now if they wanted a dumb fossil, then yes, its her against them, because she has the "right" fossil and should be proud of that and is, I am sure.
 
Vishvavajra

Vishvavajra

Active Member
Emergence said:
What does it matter whether the mammoth was the product of evolution or divine creation? How does that have any bearing whatsoever on whether it can be the state fossil or not? It is what it is...
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Because the right-wing politicians have to put on a dog-and-pony show for their supporters. That way when the next election comes around they can point to it and shout, "Look, I'll fight against progress in any conceivable form! Vote for me again!" And they will, because that's what Republican voters do.
 
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