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Creationists: How do you test for "truth"?

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Kemosloby said:
I'll spell it out for you since you're mind does not seem to stray too far from a legalistic understanding. The "Word of God" that people wrote in a book is what I mean by written by God.
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But the Bible does not claim that for itself either. And then you only add onto your burden. By the way, with the amazing number of flaws, errors, self contradictions, scientific errors and bad morals how can you say that it is the "Word of God"? That seems to be rather insulting to your God to me.
 
Kemosloby

Kemosloby

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Subduction Zone said:
But the Bible does not claim that for itself either. And then you only add onto your burden. By the way, with the amazing number of flaws, errors, self contradictions, scientific errors and bad morals how can you say that it is the "Word of God"? That seems to be rather insulting to your God to me.
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I think most people get that it does claim to be the word of God.

2 Cor 2:17 Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

! thessalonians 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.

So I guess you've heard wrong, as an unbeliever the word is not "at work within you". You're blind to it and everything you read you see as an error, flaw or contradiction.
 
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QuestioningMind

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Kemosloby said:
Since the bible is written by the creator who was there to see and know how creation happened, To say it didn't happen that way, The burden of proof is on the humans. Since they were not eye witnesses they would need to have some other sort of proof. Proof which they cannot possibly get since God has miraculous powers. Even if science could prove creation happened in some mundane way, it would still be possible it happened in a miraculous way. Which leaves God 2 man 0.
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"Since the bible is written by the creator who was there to see and know how creation happened,"

What method did you use to determine the truth of the above statement?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Kemosloby said:
I think most people get that it does claim to be the word of God.

2 Cor 2:17 Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

! thessalonians 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.

So I guess you've heard wrong, as an unbeliever the word is not "at work within you". You're blind to it and everything you read you see as an error, flaw or contradiction.
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Neither of those verses support your claims. You do not seem to even understand the history of the Bible. For both of those the "word of God" seems to be more of what the writers received from God themselves and not their writings. I am not the blind one here. You are misinterpreting your Bible, and rather poorly.

Meanwhile we are back to the burden of proof that you keep putting upon yourself. If you want to claim that the Bible is the word of God you have a heck of a job to do. As you have shown you can't even rely on the Bible for that. And the only way that one can claim the Bible is without flaw is to ignore over half of it. Quite a few theists have a very strong cognitive dissonance when it comes to reading and understanding the Bible. And that is one reason that there are so many different sects of Christianity. They can all support their claims by sticking to selected verses from the Bible and ignoring the verses that contradict them. I am not the blind one here.
 
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QuestioningMind

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Kemosloby said:
Obviously if God created everything he was there to witness its creation. How much more can you add to that?
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You can tell me what method you used to determine that there was a God that created everything and was there to witness it. Why do you keep avoiding the question?
 
socharlie

socharlie

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shunyadragon said:
The reality testable, verifiable and falsifiable by scientific methods. The same reality that makes your computer work.
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one quantum physicist I was listening to said that science knows somewhere between 1 to 5 % of what is to know, so, science is positive but ongoing process., it is very immature at this point.
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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socharlie said:
one quantum physicist I was listening to said that science knows somewhere between 1 and 5 % of what is to know, so (need a source based on scientific evidence and not an unknamed anecdotal source), science is positive but ongoing process., it is very immature at this point.
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This is an anecdotal unnamed reference, nonetheless regardless of how much knowledge science has it is; The reality testable, verifiable and falsifiable by scientific methods. The same reality that makes your computer work.

Let me know when gravity, and your computer no longer work because the Laws of Nature do not apply.
 
Whitestone

Whitestone

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Good question. There is only one way to know Truth... And that is by becoming Jesus' disciple and continuing in His Word. His Word is contained within the Bible, so we have all we need for "truth" to be revealed. He will then show you the meaning of those things in which you set your heart to understand out of Scriptures. May you find Who you are searching for my friend!

(Joh 8:31) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
(Joh 8:32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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Whitestone said:
Good question. There is only one way to know Truth... And that is by becoming Jesus' disciple and continuing in His Word. His Word is contained within the Bible, so we have all we need for "truth" to be revealed. He will then show you the meaning of those things in which you set your heart to understand out of Scriptures. May you find Who you are searching for my friend!

(Joh 8:31) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
(Joh 8:32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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Jesus did not say anything about evolution, Theory of Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Computer Science, nor Abiogenesis. God may be responsible for all of the above how science has demonstrated how the the world works based on the evidence.
 
socharlie

socharlie

Active Member
shunyadragon said:
This is an anecdotal unnamed reference, nonetheless regardless of how much knowledge science has it is; The reality testable, verifiable and falsifiable by scientific methods. The same reality that makes your computer work.

Let me know when gravity, and your computer no longer work because the Laws of Nature do not apply.
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science constantly being revised, upgrade very few permanent elements - this is nature of science , very good feature of honest science. No self-respecting scientist would say that non - material world does not exist,
 
Kemosloby

Kemosloby

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QuestioningMind said:
You can tell me what method you used to determine that there was a God that created everything and was there to witness it. Why do you keep avoiding the question?
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By the word of God. How do you have the "Word of God" without a God? In the word of God, it's said God created it and God has no reason to lie.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

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Kemosloby said:
I'll spell it out for you since you're mind does not seem to stray too far from a legalistic understanding. The "Word of God" that people wrote in a book is what I mean by written by God.
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So, what people wrote in a book and *claimed* to be the 'word of God' is what you mean by something 'being written by God'.

Strange usage.
 
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