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Creationists, please provide evidence
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Do you believe everything you're told?
Obviously not. I've been told God doesn't exist and that evolution is true. Don't believe either.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
For the sake of this hypothetical example, let's say he does.
Also, for comparison, "god" doesn't claim anything.
The people believing in him, however, makes many claims that they, in turn, claim came from "god".
And that is a different story altogether.
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I know what you're referring to. My question is, why do you believe it? Just because the book says so? There are a lot of books that say a lot of stuff.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
So what, exactly, makes you believe the Bible over, say, science?
I'd honestly be interested in a straight answer to that question.
Well, don't you believe that gods don't exist too? I mean you're a christian, there are a lot of gods I'm sure you don't believe exist. Why? As for evolution, it's an observed fact, I don't understand what the problem is.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Might I point out that the emphasis should be on the word ("IF"). IF he existed at all, IF he said what is attributed to him.....See what I mean? There is no way to use the bible to prove that any claims of the supernatural actually happened.
I want to only limit the discussion to evidence. Evidence should be able to be tested, falsified and/or confirmed. Your scripture does not meet this basic requirement.
You know it's circular yet you went there anyway. No one here claims science to be absolute.
If you understood the Greek language you wouldn't make this claim.
One in purpose does not mean one in the same (See John 17:21)
Either Yeshua was made up or he wasn't that important to be noticed except by a small, very small, amount of people. No contemporary writer "during" said life of Yeshua ever wrote a thing about him. The closest you could come is Paul and he outright admits to never meeting Yeshua in person. His claim to fame is a supposed vision on the road and even that story is suspect as it changed depending on whom he was telling it to.
Be careful throwing bible verses out there. We know the material better than most believers do. Additionally this thread is not about Yeshua. We're simply wanting creationist to present testable evidence to substantiate creationism.
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
No it doesn't unless you have some geological evidence to refute my claim.
Gunfingers
Happiness Incarnate
Archaeologically there's no evidence from the period of exactly when the gospels were written. Most of what we know about the ancient world comes from historical accounts, and they generally have to be taken with a grain of salt. Scholars and historians who study the bible and it's historicity have researched the topic extensively. You can read a few blurbs about it and how it was determined in these Wikipedia articles.
Gospel of Matthew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gospel of Mark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gospel of Luke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gospel of John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Do you realize how absurd this statement is?
You claim God (your God specifically) exists.
The Bible, Torah, Qur'an, and numerous texts claim differing concepts of God exist.
Many prophets, writers, and believers claim certain concepts of God(s) exist.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
For the record, the question is not whether God exists.
The challenge is to provide objective empirical evidence for Creationism. More specifically, literal Biblical Creationism.
The challenge is to provide objective empirical evidence for Creationism. More specifically, literal Biblical Creationism.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
An arch depends on every part of it to stay up and yet they are found throughout nature.
Do you know what emergenct properties are?
Very true. That's where reading the Bible may be appropriate to understand whose words they actually are.
An arch depends on every part of it to stay up and yet they are found throughout nature.
Do you know what emergenct properties are?
things become more and more complex. cells combine to make a heart. stuff like that. But it seems that if you just had a bunch of heart cells, they wouldn't be a heart. Something has to put them together.
arch. Yes, quite the grand structure. It didn't build itself though. It looks like it used to be one big rock. Water or people or something hammered its way through it. And yes, it depends on every part. The problem is, how did they get that way.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
I have. Along with numerous religious texts.
Your statement is still absurd.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
No comparison needs to be made. The Quran, according to Muslims and the Quran itself says it confirms the books and laws that came before it.
Sura 5 (Ayat 68) 5:68
Qul ya ahla alkitabi lastumAAala shay-in hatta tuqeemoo alttawratawaal-injeela wama onzila ilaykum min rabbikumwalayazeedanna katheeran minhum ma onzila ilayka minrabbika tughyanan wakufran fala ta/sa AAalaalqawmi alkafireena
Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.
I told you we know this stuff......
Anyway....