Creationists, why do you attack evolution?

[McBell]

Sorry, I'm leaving a location right now. Not failing to respond. I'll try to get back here.

Take your time.
reply back when you get the chance/time.
The majority of RF (from what I have seen) understand that life happens and sometimes it takes a bit to get back to RF.

 

[Audie]

Look Audi,

I haven't hardly ever met a person I didn't appreciate. I haven't been snippy in my thinking. If you took it that way I'm sorry. You are the one who threatened to block me. That outdoes snark 10 to 1.

What do you mean by say one way or the other??

If you're reading this have a good weekend. I really mean no harm.

Do you think I am on the
offensive because of your views.

3rd time asking. Both parts are wrong btw.

If you do, end of talk. Thats all.
Ordinary self respect such as a lady
should have.



Oh, " sorry if you took it as " is another tell.

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[TagliatelliMonster]

Honestly as a person who believes us along with the animals were initially created with adaptive capabilities within certain limitations to survive in various surroundings, I can't say I'm a staunch creationist given the above reasons because there is proof the adaptive abilities of many plants and animals are nothing short of amazing. To me though those are peripheral to the main ideas, however I felt it should bear mentioning that yes, God made things to adapt to some level of flexibility but not beyond it.

What limitations and how would you demonstrate these exist? Be specific.

I most often feel the evolution side is on the offensive here, not me. Since evolution is often given as a reason some use for a deconstruction of their faith, I have studied it and my conclusion is it comes up painfully short as a total explanation for all things and especially for us.

How does it come short in your opinion?

I believe evolution and christianty are like oil and water. There are plenty of well meaning Chrisians who daily attempt to shoe horn it into our bible, but for me to marry evolution is to deny the bible.

And you can't allow yourself to do that, right?
Tell me, is there anything that could potentially convince you of evolution and / or convince you that your biblical beliefs are incorrect?

If I thought evolution as in Ape to man had decent arguments

You claim to have studied evolution yet don't even realize that humans ARE apes, just like they ARE mammals and vertebrates?
Do you agree humans are mammals?
Assuming the answer is yes, what makes you believe they are mammals and what makes you disbelieve they are apes?

Not that this is a question concerning biology. This is not a religious question. Your response should include biological facts / evidence, NOT bible verses.

I might be tempted to question my faith, but so far all I've found are hoaxes and commonalities i.e. some primate DNA with similarities.

You claim to have studied evolution yet don't even realize that it's not the mere similarities that are interesting / in support of the theory but rather the PATTERN thereof?

If you really did study up on evolution, you should be able to tell me what that pattern is. Can you?
If you can't tell me, then I'm sorry to inform you that you even fail evolution 101. This is very basic stuff.

They often fail to mention the similarities in DNA to many other animals, some of which would not look like a fit.

Have you ever heared for phylogenetic trees? They are literally graphical representations of objective DNA matches obtained from comparing fully sequenced genomes.

Which DNA matches and which doesn't between species of which the genome has been fully sequenced, is extremely well known and public information.
Just what did you study when you claim to have studied evolution? What sources did you use?
Because it strikes me as downright bizar that you seemingly aren't aware of any of this....

We could argue the amounts of common DNA strands with regard to primates, but I don't see it definitively proving anything other than they have some similar stuff

The exact same kind of "similar stuff" is enough to prove that you and your siblings are biological siblings, that your dad is your biological dad etc.
This is evidence of such a solid nature that it not only stands up in courts but in fact will instantly overrule dozens and dozens of "witness testimonies".

This is the level of objective reliability that DNA comparison has to establish common ancestry.
So, do you also reject such evidence when it comes to things like patternity tests or alike, or do you only reject such evidence when it contradicts your religious beliefs?

, yet they lack much much more making them far different than us even as a close cousin.

Wrong again. We and chimps are far more alike then we are different.

The box creation account, as in to each it's own kind still holds up for me and my studies have only reenforced my faith.

"kind" is not a biological taxonomical term. It doesn't actually mean anything.
However, from a layman perspective, we could interpret "kind" as being a lineage or "type" of organism.
And in that sense, the bible is actually correct AND in agreement with evolution: kind produces kind.

In evolution, there is the law of monofy. It essentially means that you can not outgrow your ancestry.
Vertebrates will produce more vertebrates and / or subspecies thereof like mammals - which remain vertebrates.
Mammals will produce more mammals and / or subspecies thereof like primates - which remain mammals.
Primates will produce more primates or subspecies thereof like homo spaiens - which remain primates

Humans are "still" primates, mammals, tetrapods, vertebrates, eukaryotes.

In evolution dogs produce more dogs (or subspecies of dogs, which remain dogs) They will not produce cats.

If an organism outgrows its ancestry (aka, a mammal producing anything other then a mammal), then evolution is disproven

I will reiterate I don't rub that in to my theistic evolutionist brothers. I could have them over for dinner and we could be close friends. I will forever wonder how they can rationalize that we were made in the image of God but chimps were involved. Sorry that just doesn't cut it for me nor will it ever.

And I will forever wonder why some people think reality is what is incorrect if and when the evidence of reality disagrees with their a priori beliefs.

 

[Jimmy]

Evolutions cool and everything but imo, it’s so obvious god made everything and that I’ll be back here again after I die. Rock on.

 

[Starise]

No, it is not. Scientific evidence is very well defined. It is part of what makes the scientific method work so well. And only those that are ignorant, oh and liars too, of the sciences deny the fact that evolution has more scientific evidence for it than any other concept in the sciences.

I will agree with that , but often science is inconclusive. And I have my faith which I am assured tells me we were made in the image of God, which takes us far above any animal. I am a peaceful person and not into arguing over this. I have already blocked one person and frankly the Lord told me to come here. I think the guy I blocked was one of the mods who enjoys deleting PMs.
I really didn't want to come here because I know it's a bunch of people who have talked themselves out of God, but now you/they have nothing to lean on but your science which is a substitute for religion IMO because it fills the gaps for you. The informati
on that men are apes is not as conclusive as you would have us all believe. Yeah, I know, it's the majority view. Even so I don't believe it. There s a REASON we have those who believe in creation. Contrary to the views of many we often are highly educated in many cases and we know how to investigate data.

And all of you come off as knowing so much, when we probably have manicurists and bus drivers and cooks making the claims, but even if we have "scientists" and even if those scientists are involved in direct lines of study, and even "if" you make a claim you are a scientist, we are on the internet and I can claim to be a NASA astronaught and noone will know any better, so I see a lot of this as simply pitching a narrative back and forth which never leads to any further illumination. Sure you can attempt to discredit me by making insinuations that I am some big dummy because I believe I was created and I don't believe I have the kinds of associations to apes you claim. So on and on this goes until it's reduced to name calling and making these derogatory insinuations or even outright accusations, all coming from a guy who said he doesn't attack evolutionists. An accusation already leveled at me that I was "attacking" someone. I just have a different view. Please get over it.

The evolution of man is no different than the evolution of any other animals. In fact it is better understood because of personal interest in it. You may not concur, but that just means that you are wrong. Just as you would be wrong if you claimed that a granite boulder that you just lifted over your head was going to float away.

Yeah yeah yeah. I had something sarcastic funny to reply , but decided that since I'm already branded that wouldn't help. No I don't concur. In this case the claims are an overreach and no I won't fight you over it.

Really? How is it any different?

Eye roll. I mean big time eye roll.

Well we are always interested in new arguments, but no one can ever seem to make one. We are almost always dealing with PRATT's.

You and others here reek of condescension. I hope your butt doesn't stick to that throne you made for yourself. I seldom even respond to people like you.

Then you should be able to make a case for yourself. But what you have revealed is just a misunderstanding of the limited material that you have.


I often try to teach creationists the concept of scientific evidence. It is a very easy concept to understand, but I doubt if you have any clue as to what makes an observation evidence.

Don't you think I've been around this merry go round before? For all I know you're a sanitation truck driver pulling your stuff off of google. This is really more about the tool chest you think you have that I disagree with based on my ability to investigate and observe. In addition to my faith which you will not topple with baseless arguments against my book, all of which I can also show to be CNN types of ploys, but I won't because I don't have the time and then you will claim I ran away like a little sniveling coward. No I simply have better things to do than argue with a group of people who won't be reasoned with and who attack the person's mental acuity because they don't happen to agree.

No, but I really should.

1000 of them won't buy you a hamburger.

Analogies are used to help people to understand complex ideas. They are generally more useful in pointing out a person's errors but you do not seem to have understood it.

Yawn.

No!! We demand a 24 hour break in period!

Okay, have a nice day. There is no need to spend too much time here.

You guys are like killer bees, Why would I want to come here? I have my assurances and they are rock steady. I have already seen all of your lessons.

Why can't you guys just accept that I don't agree with you and I have my reasons? Why do you feel the need to go around preaching that evolutionary dogma? I have my theories. One of them says that it makes you feel more solid in your own persuations if you can deconstruct someone else's faith. You have the wrong guy trust me.

 

[Starise]

Do you think I am on the
offensive because of your views.

Well you basically told me that what I believe is BS. If the roles were reversed how would that make you feel?

3rd time asking. Both parts are wrong btw.

If you do, end of talk. Thats all.
Ordinary self respect such as a lady
should have.

So I'm wrong to you? I am not afraid of you blocking me. Go ahead. I already blocked another guy who couldn't seem to make rational comments and was caught into some kind of a loop and who was out to get me. I don't join forums for this reason, do you?
In my thinking, I only questioned you as to what your alternate belief is? Did you feel I put you on the spot for asking?

 

[Audie]

Well you basically told me that what I believe is BS. If the roles were reversed how would that make you feel?



So I'm wrong to you? I am not afraid of you blocking me. Go ahead. I already blocked another guy who couldn't seem to make rational comments and was caught into some kind of a loop and who was out to get me. I don't join forums for this reason, do you?
In my thinking, I only questioned you as to what your alternate belief is? Did you feel I put you on the spot for asking?

If someone tells me what i believe is
garbage, I'd like to know why.

If the reasons are sound, I would
change my mind. Its how one learns
grows, behaves ratiinally and with integrity..

As for your q. I asked you something three times
you still refuse to answer.

You seem ill equipped to interact with adults.

Maybe some other forum would be a better fit.​

We dont do " faith uber alles" here.​

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[SkepticThinker]

Could well be.

If you remember initially I simply said I don't attack evolution. I don't agree with it, that's all.
Then what happened?

You did "attack" evolution though.

Do you remember me saying that the offensive was most often directed at me in this thread?

When you come into a forum titled "Evolution vs. creationism" you are in a debate forum.
You should fully expect to be challenged when you say inaccurate things.

It didn't take long for all of you to make my point for me. Thanks.

People challenge each other's claims and arguments. That's what goes on in debate forums.

If it makes you feel better to believe you've fulfilled your own prophecy or something, have at it, I guess.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I will agree with that , but often science is inconclusive. And I have my faith which I am assured tells me we were made in the image of God, which takes us far above any animal. I am a peaceful person and not into arguing over this. I have already blocked one person and frankly the Lord told me to come here. I think the guy I blocked was one of the mods who enjoys deleting PMs.
I really didn't want to come here because I know it's a bunch of people who have talked themselves out of God, but now you/they have nothing to lean on but your science which is a substitute for religion IMO because it fills the gaps for you. The informati
on that men are apes is not as conclusive as you would have us all believe. Yeah, I know, it's the majority view. Even so I don't believe it. There s a REASON we have those who believe in creation. Contrary to the views of many we often are highly educated in many cases and we know how to investigate data.

And all of you come off as knowing so much, when we probably have manicurists and bus drivers and cooks making the claims, but even if we have "scientists" and even if those scientists are involved in direct lines of study, and even "if" you make a claim you are a scientist, we are on the internet and I can claim to be a NASA astronaught and noone will know any better, so I see a lot of this as simply pitching a narrative back and forth which never leads to any further illumination. Sure you can attempt to discredit me by making insinuations that I am some big dummy because I believe I was created and I don't believe I have the kinds of associations to apes you claim. So on and on this goes until it's reduced to name calling and making these derogatory insinuations or even outright accusations, all coming from a guy who said he doesn't attack evolutionists. An accusation already leveled at me that I was "attacking" someone. I just have a different view. Please get over it.



Yeah yeah yeah. I had something sarcastic funny to reply , but decided that since I'm already branded that wouldn't help. No I don't concur. In this case the claims are an overreach and no I won't fight you over it.




Eye roll. I mean big time eye roll.



You and others here reek of condescension. I hope your butt doesn't stick to that throne you made for yourself. I seldom even respond to people like you.



[moderator edit] Don't you think I've been around this merry go round before? For all I know you're a sanitation truck driver pulling your stuff off of google. This is really more about the tool chest you think you have that I disagree with based on my ability to investigate and observe. In addition to my faith which you will not topple with baseless arguments against my book, all of which I can also show to be CNN types of ploys, but I won't because I don't have the time and then you will claim I ran away like a little sniveling coward. No I simply have better things to do than argue with a group of people who won't be reasoned with and who attack the person's mental acuity because they don't happen to agree.


1000 of them won't buy you a hamburger.



Yawn.



You guys are like killer bees, Why would I want to come here? I have my assurances and they are rock steady. [moderator edit] I have already seen all of your lessons.

Why can't you guys just accept that I don't agree with you and I have my reasons? Why do you feel the need to go around preaching that evolutionary dogma? I have my theories. One of them says that it makes you feel more solid in your own persuations if you can deconstruct someone else's faith. You have the wrong guy trust me.

Instead of crying and moaning, why not try engaging in rebuttals to your arguments?
That's what goes on here. It's fun, give it a try!

 

[McBell]

Instead of crying and moaning, why not try engaging in rebuttals to your arguments?
That's what goes on here. It's fun, give it a try!

What?!
And abandon all the work they have already put in to being the victim of the great big meanie atheists?

Surely you jest!

 

[Subduction Zone]

I will agree with that , but often science is inconclusive. And I have my faith which I am assured tells me we were made in the image of God, which takes us far above any animal. I am a peaceful person and not into arguing over this. I have already blocked one person and frankly the Lord told me to come here. I think the guy I blocked was one of the mods who enjoys deleting PMs.
I really didn't want to come here because I know it's a bunch of people who have talked themselves out of God, but now you/they have nothing to lean on but your science which is a substitute for religion IMO because it fills the gaps for you. The informati
on that men are apes is not as conclusive as you would have us all believe. Yeah, I know, it's the majority view. Even so I don't believe it. There s a REASON we have those who believe in creation. Contrary to the views of many we often are highly educated in many cases and we know how to investigate data.

I am going to have to call BS on this. If you had evidence you would have posted it.

And all of you come off as knowing so much, when we probably have manicurists and bus drivers and cooks making the claims, but even if we have "scientists" and even if those scientists are involved in direct lines of study, and even "if" you make a claim you are a scientist, we are on the internet and I can claim to be a NASA astronaught and noone will know any better, so I see a lot of this as simply pitching a narrative back and forth which never leads to any further illumination. Sure you can attempt to discredit me by making insinuations that I am some big dummy because I believe I was created and I don't believe I have the kinds of associations to apes you claim. So on and on this goes until it's reduced to name calling and making these derogatory insinuations or even outright accusations, all coming from a guy who said he doesn't attack evolutionists. An accusation already leveled at me that I was "attacking" someone. I just have a different view. Please get over it.

No, we just know more than creationists. I have as yet to meet a creationist that is not willfully ignorant. There is a reason that I try to teach creationists the basics of science. It is very hard to lie about the evidence once one understands the concept of scientific evidence. Creationists refuse to develop a general scientific hypothesis of creationism so scientific evidence cannot exist for their beliefs by definition.

Yeah yeah yeah. I had something sarcastic funny to reply , but decided that since I'm already branded that wouldn't help. No I don't concur. In this case the claims are an overreach and no I won't fight you over it.

If you disagree then provide scientific evidence.

Eye roll. I mean big time eye roll.

It is not a good sign at all when you have no answer for a very serious question. Both of you are science deniers. If you are an OEC that does not believe the flood myth then the difference is rather significant. If you are an OEC that believes the flood myth then that difference is much smaller, and if you are a YEC there is practically no difference at all. Once again, evidence would be ice.

You and others here reek of condescension. I hope your butt doesn't stick to that throne you made for yourself. I seldom even respond to people like you.

That is due to the behaviors of creationists. I have yet to see a creationist put up a serious argument. Perhaps you could be the first. Or you might just add more evidence that shows the condescension is well earned.

Of course Mr poobah. Don't you think I've been around this merry go round before? For all I know you're a sanitation truck driver pulling your stuff off of google. This is really more about the tool chest you think you have that I disagree with based on my ability to investigate and observe. In addition to my faith which you will not topple with baseless arguments against my book, all of which I can also show to be CNN types of ploys, but I won't because I don't have the time and then you will claim I ran away like a little sniveling coward. No I simply have better things to do than argue with a group of people who won't be reasoned with and who attack the person's mental acuity because they don't happen to agree.

Oh my! You were the one that said that things often degenerate into name calling and you made that a self fulfilling prophecy by being the first to go that route. Every time you mention "faith" you lose credibility. Faith is a handicap when it comes to the sciences, it is not an asset. And anybody can "write a book" today. Having one only shows that the author probably overrates his own intelligence. Tell me, were you paid ahead of time for you "book"?

1000 of them won't buy you a hamburger.

I know, the ungrateful swine!!

Yawn.

Oh come on, don't act like a jerk. When you act that way and only had science denial how do you expect anyone to respect you. If you could put up a well reasoned argument then I would respect you. But it seems that you are bound and determined to confirm all of the flaws that I stated that creationists have.

You guys are like killer bees, Why would I want to come here? I have my assurances and they are rock steady. No don't try to teach me mr poobah. I have already seen all of your lessons.

Name calling is against the rules here. And now you only confirm my earlier claims.

Why can't you guys just accept that I don't agree with you and I have my reasons? Why do you feel the need to go around preaching that evolutionary dogma? I have my theories. One of them says that it makes you feel more solid in your own persuations if you can deconstruct someone else's faith. You have the wrong guy trust me.

Oh, you can disagree with us all that you want. But you were the one that made your ignorance public. And then pretended that it was not. That reeks of hypocrisy. People are going to put you down for that sort of behavior.


Here is the deal, instead of posting nonsense and excuses post your best argument if you are so sure of yourself. That is what real scientists do every day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If someone tells me what i believe is
garbage, I'd like to know why.

If the reasons are sound, I would
change my mind. Its how one learns
grows, behaves ratiinally and with integrity..

As for your q. I asked you something three times
you still refuse to answer.

You seem ill equipped to interact with adults.

Maybe some other forum would be a better fit.

There are certain forums where those that accept the sciences are banned. I am sure that he could a "win" at least some arguments there.

Oh, and don't forget, he has a book.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That wasn't the point of this thread now was it? The thread was asking why creationists attack evolutionists.

I responded to say that no, I don't attack them. Now you try to drag me into a Q&A session inferring I need to "learn" something.

Yes, some are curious to understand why creationists attack evolution. Oh and no, the thread was asking why creationists attack those that accept reality.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well you basically told me that what I believe is BS. If the roles were reversed how would that make you feel?

I would be interested in knowing the reason for why it is called BS and have an honest look to see if it is indeed BS.
And if it turns out it is, I'll thank the person and change my beliefs, rejoicing in having learned something.

This is the difference between a science minded person and religious dogmatist.
A religious dogmatist considers it a BAD thing to have his beliefs challenged - let alone proven incorrect.
A science minded person, on the other hand, is actually thankful for it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I already blocked another guy who couldn't seem to make rational comments and was caught into some kind of a loop and who was out to get me.

Why do I have the feeling you're talking about me?

Couldn't handle your views being exposed for the fallacious ignorance they are, right?

Oh well.

 

[Starise]

If someone tells me what i believe is
garbage, I'd like to know why.

What if I know what I believe isn't garbage?

As for your q. I asked you something three times
you still refuse to answer.

You seem ill equipped to interact with adults.

LOL!!!!. Ill equipped to interact with adults? OK you are entitled to your opinion. I interact with adults all day long, successfully I might add.

Question of thread- Why do creationists attack evolutionists? I came on to say I don't make it my mission to attack anyone, but I am also known not to be backward about my views which I guess some here take to be offensive, and in truth my online stuff doesn't necessarily reflect me in person and can be misunderstood to be firm when it's really just me kidding.

What is there really to debate here? I know I was created and you don't believe that. Since I said I wasn't here to attack anyone and since I said I don't prefer to get into argumentative stuff why would you be surprised if I don't want to get into argumentative stuff? And I think it's illogical to believe we can hash a subject like this out efficiently online in this format in such a way as to give it proper attention.
The basic premise remains the same though I believe I was created by God in God's image. The end.

You did "attack" evolution though.

Nah, I just don't agree with it. There's a difference.

When you come into a forum titled "Evolution vs. creationism" you are in a debate forum.
You should fully expect to be challenged when you say inaccurate things.

I only came on because I didn't agree with the original premise of this thread for me personally and I wanted to clear up that misconception.

People challenge each other's claims and arguments. That's what goes on in debate forums.

If it makes you feel better to believe you've fulfilled your own prophecy or something, have at it, I guess.

You see that's the thing with these debates, you mine the info you believe supports your view and so it's mainly just back and forth ad infinitum. I have better things to do, expecially when I'm already plenty comfortable in my own skin and have no need to prove anything to anyone. My God is a personal God, so there is no need to claim or debate anything for me.

nstead of crying and moaning, why not try engaging in rebuttals to your arguments?
That's what goes on here. It's fun, give it a try!

Re read what I typed. There is neither of those two things in it.

I am going to have to call BS on this. If you had evidence you would have posted it.

Yes and I'm sure I would convince you with anything I would post because you've already discounted it, same as I have discounted all of the evidence you think you have. I would rather play whack-a-mole.

No, we just know more than creationists. I have as yet to meet a creationist that is not willfully ignorant. There is a reason that I try to teach creationists the basics of science. It is very hard to lie about the evidence once one understands the concept of scientific evidence. Creationists refuse to develop a general scientific hypothesis of creationism so scientific evidence cannot exist for their beliefs by definition.

This is exactly why I don't think you're a candidate to get into any sort of deep discussion with. I think you live in a delusion and you think that of me.

If you disagree then provide scientific evidence.

I have no need to do so and you won't listen so you see this is counter productive.

Oh my! You were the one that said that things often degenerate into name calling and you made that a self fulfilling prophecy by being the first to go that route. Every time you mention "faith" you lose credibility. Faith is a handicap when it comes to the sciences, it is not an asset. And anybody can "write a book" today. Having one only shows that the author probably overrates his own intelligence. Tell me, were you paid ahead of time for you "book"?

It was intended as a tongue in cheek comment and as light humor, but apparently the mods didn't think so. Faith in God is not wasted faith . I apologize that it was taken that way. I call people who make their views and attitudes as above others poobahs from the old Fred Flinstone cartoons. Remember the grand poobah? I was barely old enough to walk then but I remember it. What book? You have "faith" in evolution, because evolution doesn't fill in the gaps.

I know, the ungrateful swine!!

: )

Oh come on, don't act like a jerk. When you act that way and only had science denial how do you expect anyone to respect you. If you could put up a well reasoned argument then I would respect you. But it seems that you are bound and determined to confirm all of the flaws that I stated that creationists have.

It was going to come sooner or later regardless. Prediction- 100 online studies later, all studies I post are discredited based on your personal system of reliability. I don't care if you respect me or not. I only care what my God thinks.

Oh, you can disagree with us all that you want. But you were the one that made your ignorance public. And then pretended that it was not. That reeks of hypocrisy. People are going to put you down for that sort of behavior.

Well, if believing in God is ignorant, then I am not alone and I'm sure there are many more on this forum who do believe in God and for very good reasons. OTOH you can't prove there isn't a God so who is really the ignorant one here? Oh that's right, it requires faith to be an evolutionist.

Name calling is against the rules here. And now you only confirm my earlier claims.

You'll attempt to "win" this as you see it any way you can, all the whole while calling me ignorant because I believe in a creator. That claim is derogatory to a person making a claim you can't disprove.

Yes, some are curious to understand why creationists attack evolution. Oh and no, the thread was asking why creationists attack those that accept reality.

Yes by all means, stay in that little box of yours because going outside of it might be scary for you.

This is the difference between a science minded person and religious dogmatist.
A religious dogmatist considers it a BAD thing to have his beliefs challenged - let alone proven incorrect.
A science minded person, on the other hand, is actually thankful for it.

Been there, done that. I like science. I am not the least concerned about a few atheists on some website attacking me or God for that matter. He can take it trust me.

Why do I have the feeling you're talking about me?

Couldn't handle your views being exposed for the fallacious ignorance they are, right?

Oh well.

What?, That I believe in a God and that I believe I was created in His image? You will need to go after a whole bunch of other people on this site besides me, that is unless you're all atheists. In that case I recommend you change the name of the site to something else.

PS- No I haven't blocked you, but if all you have in this is a fight against anyone who doesn't believe like you do that's what we refer to as closed minded and would bear consideration for blocking.

 

[McBell]

Why do I have the feeling you're talking about me?

Couldn't handle your views being exposed for the fallacious ignorance they are, right?

Oh well.

Ah man.
And here I thought it was I, the great big meanie atheist, who got there....

 

[SkepticThinker]

What if I know what I believe isn't garbage?



LOL!!!!. Ill equipped to interact with adults? OK you are entitled to your opinion. I interact with adults all day long, successfully I might add.

Question of thread- Why do creationists attack evolutionists? I came on to say I don't make it my mission to attack anyone, but I am also known not to be backward about my views which I guess some here take to be offensive, and in truth my online stuff doesn't necessarily reflect me in person and can be misunderstood to be firm when it's really just me kidding.

What is there really to debate here? I know I was created and you don't believe that. Since I said I wasn't here to attack anyone and since I said I don't prefer to get into argumentative stuff why would you be surprised if I don't want to get into argumentative stuff? And I think it's illogical to believe we can hash a subject like this out efficiently online in this format in such a way as to give it proper attention.
The basic premise remains the same though I believe I was created by God in God's image. The end.

This is a debate forum. People are going to challenge your claims. If you're not into that, then this isn't really the place for you.
There are DIR forums here you may be more comfortable in.

Nah, I just don't agree with it. There's a difference.

If you're claiming evolution doesn't occur, you are challenging it, in the very least. And you should expect to have those challenges responded to and rebutted.

I only came on because I didn't agree with the original premise of this thread for me personally and I wanted to clear up that misconception.


You see that's the thing with these debates, you mine the info you believe supports your view and so it's mainly just back and forth ad infinitum. I have better things to do, expecially when I'm already plenty comfortable in my own skin and have no need to prove anything to anyone. My God is a personal God, so there is no need to claim or debate anything for me.

Then this isn't the place for you. People are going to challenge your claims and rebut your arguments here.

Re read what I typed. There is neither of those two things in it.

You have done both of those things here on this thread. You're still doing it now.

Yes and I'm sure I would convince you with anything I would post because you've already discounted it, same as I have discounted all of the evidence you think you have. I would rather play whack-a-mole.

I don't think that way. I'm sorry you do.

I want to believe in as many true things as possible while not believing in as many false things as possible. And so I am willing to believe anything for which there is sufficient evidence. I am willing to change my mind, given sufficient evidence.

This is exactly why I don't think you're a candidate to get into any sort of deep discussion with. I think you live in a delusion and you think that of me.



I have no need to do so and you won't listen so you see this is counter productive.



It was intended as a tongue in cheek comment and as light humor, but apparently the mods didn't think so. Faith in God is not wasted faith . I apologize that it was taken that way. I call people who make their views and attitudes as above others poobahs from the old Fred Flinstone cartoons. Remember the grand poobah? I was barely old enough to walk then but I remember it. What book? You have "faith" in evolution, because evolution doesn't fill in the gaps.



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It was going to come sooner or later regardless. Prediction- 100 online studies later, all studies I post are discredited based on your personal system of reliability. I don't care if you respect me or not. I only care what my God thinks.



Well, if believing in God is ignorant, then I am not alone and I'm sure there are many more on this forum who do believe in God and for very good reasons. OTOH you can't prove there isn't a God so who is really the ignorant one here? Oh that's right, it requires faith to be an evolutionist.

You've created a false dichotomy here. It's not either "god belief" or "evolutionist."
There are plenty of people that are religious that accept evolution as the fact of life that it is.

If you can't prove or demonstrate god(s) exist, then why do you believe in them?
It doesn't take any faith whatsoever to say "I have not seen sufficient evidence to convince me that god(s) exist and so I don't believe in them." That's my position. Do you think it takes faith to not believe in fairies?

You'll attempt to "win" this as you see it any way you can, all the whole while calling me ignorant because I believe in a creator. That claim is derogatory to a person making a claim you can't disprove.



Yes by all means, stay in that little box of yours because going outside of it might be scary for you.



Been there, done that. I like science. I am not the least concerned about a few atheists on some website attacking me or God for that matter. He can take it trust me.



What?, That I believe in a God and that I believe I was created in His image? You will need to go after a whole bunch of other people on this site besides me, that is unless you're all atheists. In that case I recommend you change the name of the site to something else.

Of course. Look around, that's what goes on here: Discussion and debate. Do you think you're the first person on this forum to have your god claims challenged?

PS- No I haven't blocked you, but if all you have in this is a fight against anyone who doesn't believe like you do that's what we refer to as closed minded and would bear consideration for blocking.

 

[Khabeni412]

They know evolution disproves creationism. They were never taught to think independently, so it makes their hive mind mad.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What if I know what I believe isn't garbage?

Then you'ld be able to demonstrate it in an independently verifiable manner.