Creators of Planned Parenthood Videos Charged with Felonies.

[leibowde84]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/u...-gop-over-planned-parenthood-battle.html?_r=0

As I’m sure most of you are aware, the creators of the videos purportedly showing Planned Parenthood selling body parts for profit have been indicted. PP, on the other hand, was not indicted for any illegal activities after the investigation by the grand jury. Originally, Planned Parenthood was under the gun, but once the grand jury found out how fraudulent and illegal these videos and their creator’s actions were, the charges actually came for Mr. Daleiden and Sandra S. Merritt, 62, who were indicted on felony charges of tampering with a governmental record with the intent to defraud — specifically, falsifying California driver’s licenses to pose as biotechnology representatives and infiltrate Planned Parenthood centers and research conferences. Mr. Daleiden was also charged with a misdemeanor related to trying to buy human organs.


Is this going to hurt GOP candidates who erroneously concluded that PP was illegally selling body parts from aborted fetuses? Who is more to blame … the prosecutors who failed to produce sufficient evidence of “profit” from these sales, or the suspected criminals who made the illegal videos? Or, was PP merely fraudulently charged with crimes it didn’t commit?

 

[leibowde84]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/u...-gop-over-planned-parenthood-battle.html?_r=0

As I’m sure most of you are aware, the creators of the videos purportedly showing Planned Parenthood selling body parts for profit have been indicted. PP, on the other hand, was not indicted for any illegal activities after the investigation by the grand jury. Originally, Planned Parenthood was under the gun, but once the grand jury found out how fraudulent and illegal these videos and their creator’s actions were, the charges actually came for Mr. Daleiden and Sandra S. Merritt, 62, who were indicted on felony charges of tampering with a governmental record with the intent to defraud — specifically, falsifying California driver’s licenses to pose as biotechnology representatives and infiltrate Planned Parenthood centers and research conferences. Mr. Daleiden was also charged with a misdemeanor related to trying to buy human organs.


Is this going to hurt GOP candidates who erroneously concluded that PP was illegally selling body parts from aborted fetuses? Who is more to blame … the prosecutors who failed to produce sufficient evidence of “profit” from these sales, or the suspected criminals who made the illegal videos? Or, was PP merely fraudulently charged with crimes it didn’t commit?

Here's another good article: http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-planned-parenthood-exonerated-20160125-column.html

 

[Quetzal]

As I’m sure most of you are aware, the creators of the videos purportedly showing Planned Parenthood selling body parts for profit have been indicted. PP, on the other hand, was not indicted for any illegal activities after the investigation by the grand jury. Originally, Planned Parenthood was under the gun, but once the grand jury found out how fraudulent and illegal these videos and their creator’s actions were, the charges actually came for Mr. Daleiden and Sandra S. Merritt, 62, who were indicted on felony charges of tampering with a governmental record with the intent to defraud — specifically, falsifying California driver’s licenses to pose as biotechnology representatives and infiltrate Planned Parenthood centers and research conferences. Mr. Daleiden was also charged with a misdemeanor related to trying to buy human organs.

Great news!

 

[Iti oj]

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Is this going to hurt GOP candidates who erroneously concluded that PP was illegally selling body parts from aborted fetuses? t?

Nope, no one cared about facts then and no one cares now, its also getting less attention.

 

[leibowde84]

Nope, no one cared about facts then and no one cares now, its also getting less attention.

Fair point. Sad, but fair. It was so obvious to me that PP wasn't doing anything illegal. Obviously they have to give the body parts to medical researchers, as otherwise that research would be at a stand-still. And, obviously they need to recoup the money spent to store those "body parts". So, the prosecution had a huge hill to climb in that they actually had to prove that PP was profiting and not just covering losses.

 

[Quetzal]

Is this going to hurt GOP candidates who erroneously concluded that PP was illegally selling body parts from aborted fetuses?

Nah. Many candidates from the GOP rely on the laziness of their base to not fact check them. Or worse, know they are being dishonest and not care.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is this going to hurt GOP candidates who erroneously concluded that PP was illegally selling body parts from aborted fetuses? Who is more to blame … the prosecutors who failed to produce sufficient evidence of “profit” from these sales, or the suspected criminals who made the illegal videos? Or, was PP merely fraudulently charged with crimes it didn’t commit?

I doubt it will hurt the GOP. I would hope they realize just how incredibly wrong and unethical the actions of those who made the video are, but I foresee many conservatives making martyrs of them.

 

[Quetzal]

I do find it rather amusing that this topic is discussed on a few other forums as well. The aggressors that flooded these threads months ago are no where to be found.

 

[Iti oj]

I doubt it will hurt the GOP. I would hope they realize just how incredibly wrong and unethical the actions of those who made the video are, but I foresee many conservatives making martyrs of them.

It's a conspiracy. ... lol

 

[Noa]

I do not expect it to have much effect on those that made a huff about it previously. This is sort of like a retraction written in the back of a newspaper. Much less entertaining.

 

[averageJOE]

I see the Republican candidates doing one of two things. Either try to avoid the subject, or try to continue to believe and tell the lie that PP sells baby parts. None of them, however, will come out and say to the people "I'm sorry, but I really thought those video's were real."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I see the Republican candidates doing one of two things. Either try to avoid the subject, or try to continue to believe and tell the lie that PP sells baby parts. None of them, however, will come out and say to the people "I'm sorry, but I really thought those video's were real."

Considering they already tell many lies about Planned Parenthood, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to believe the lie.

 

[Altfish]

The USA is so backward in many ways; guns, contraception, evolution, etc. This is just a great example of how religion makes a country backward.

 

[Underhill]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/u...-gop-over-planned-parenthood-battle.html?_r=0

As I’m sure most of you are aware, the creators of the videos purportedly showing Planned Parenthood selling body parts for profit have been indicted. PP, on the other hand, was not indicted for any illegal activities after the investigation by the grand jury. Originally, Planned Parenthood was under the gun, but once the grand jury found out how fraudulent and illegal these videos and their creator’s actions were, the charges actually came for Mr. Daleiden and Sandra S. Merritt, 62, who were indicted on felony charges of tampering with a governmental record with the intent to defraud — specifically, falsifying California driver’s licenses to pose as biotechnology representatives and infiltrate Planned Parenthood centers and research conferences. Mr. Daleiden was also charged with a misdemeanor related to trying to buy human organs.


Is this going to hurt GOP candidates who erroneously concluded that PP was illegally selling body parts from aborted fetuses? Who is more to blame … the prosecutors who failed to produce sufficient evidence of “profit” from these sales, or the suspected criminals who made the illegal videos? Or, was PP merely fraudulently charged with crimes it didn’t commit?

No it won't hurt them. Because their base thinks it should be illegal whether or not it actually is.

 

[Quetzal]

The USA is so backward in many ways; guns, contraception, evolution, etc. This is just a great example of how religion makes a country backward.

I am headed over to the UK in the fall for school. Cya soon!

 

[Quetzal]

I see the Republican candidates doing one of two things. Either try to avoid the subject, or try to continue to believe and tell the lie that PP sells baby parts. None of them, however, will come out and say to the people "I'm sorry, but I really thought those video's were real."

I would respect them a heck of a lot more if they did.

 

[Underhill]

I would respect them a heck of a lot more if they did.

The timing is all wrong for that. If this had come out during the general election, maybe one of them might have done that. But now, when they need their base fired up... not going to happen.

 

[Quetzal]

The timing is all wrong for that. If this had come out during the general election, maybe one of them might have done that. But now, when they need their base fired up... not going to happen.

It's funny, I never see an apology as a source of weakness. I see it as a genuine act, a mistake. It happens. It is a shame our political environment is so volatile that apologies can't really happen.

 

[Altfish]

I am headed over to the UK in the fall for school. Cya soon!

We are backward in our own ways...I mean A Monarch, unelected Bishops in our Parliament, state sponsored faith schools

But it is a great country, I hope you enjoy it. Where are you heading?

 

[Underhill]

It's funny, I never see an apology as a source of weakness. I see it as a genuine act, a mistake. It happens. It is a shame our political environment is so volatile that apologies can't really happen.

I think it's a sign of the type of people the candidate and his voters are. I could see Sanders apologizing if he were to get something wrong and I doubt it would hurt him. Trump or Cruz? Not so much.