Very well...
Then accept that peace through diplomacy and bargaining is a good deal.
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"Crimea is gone. Ukraine must focus on peace, not territory."
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Then accept that peace through diplomacy and bargaining is a good deal.
I offer solutions.
There are great politicians in Europe. In Italy too...but also in Germany, like Wagenknecht who said what had to be done, two years ago.
We used to have a wonderful Europe, guys... Eastern Europe had joined the EU.
But some elitist cabal couldn't bear our happiness, so they came to Europe, and stirred things up, between Russia and Ukraine.
We Germans and Italians, even if we are dissed 24/7 because of the past, have been promoting peace in Europe for 80 years. And we have built peace for 80 years, because the constitutions of these two countries say that war is not a legal instrument to solve international controversies.
Diplomacy and talks, diplomacy and talks, diplomacy and talks.
I am very proud of the juridical civilization that arose after WW2.
There are great politicians in Europe. In Italy too...but also in Germany, like Wagenknecht who said what had to be done, two years ago.
We used to have a wonderful Europe, guys... Eastern Europe had joined the EU.
But some elitist cabal couldn't bear our happiness, so they came to Europe, and stirred things up, between Russia and Ukraine.
We Germans and Italians, even if we are dissed 24/7 because of the past, have been promoting peace in Europe for 80 years. And we have built peace for 80 years, because the constitutions of these two countries say that war is not a legal instrument to solve international controversies.
Diplomacy and talks, diplomacy and talks, diplomacy and talks.
I am very proud of the juridical civilization that arose after WW2.
Many Christians see Trump as a savior sent by God.
They don't confuse him with Jesus....yet.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
So, it is okay for a country to invade and occupy another's perceived territory and kill it's civilians? But, it's some how wrong for Israel to do the same thing? You're confusing me. People need to be more consistent for me to understand them.
I'm opposed to what both Russia and Israel are currently doing to others. I'm disgusted with my own country's similar foreign policies. Is that consistent?
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I think a few have already confused the two. That's just me.
I don't said it's Ok to invade.
I heard about Russia afraid from Ukraine threaten to Russia.
Also crimes whom speak Russian in borders cities.
Sure, Russia is wrong by invade Ukraine.
I said Ukraine should be neutral, and benefits on that, because not protect by NATO.
Israel/Arabs and Russia/Nato, totally different stories
putin is your threat. He's the only leader in Europe that has invaded another country. His invasion of ukraine is why other European nations are sending aid to Ukraine. putin is costing Europe money, only because he wants to take over a sovereign nation that he has no right to occupy.
Sorry, when did Russian troops march into Kiev? Notice Zelenskyy is still president of Ukraine? America's criminal president elecct has not taken office yet, so we will see what Biden and other NATO nations will do to help Ukraine against putin.
Russia is paying a huge price. But putin is a criminal and has plenty of money. He just doesn't have citizens willing to die for an illegal invasion. It's so bad that there's word that North Korean troops might have to die for putin.
Another vague and irrelevant comment. No doubt it's untrue even if you offered details and more cliams. You are the RF queen of disinformation.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I know they seem to have different stories. What I see is suffering and death being brought onto civilians and even children. In every story there is always a written justification for war, invasion and such things. All of these stories intertwine into one story....for me. And I don't particularly like these stories. They are the worst kind of horror.
This is what transpires from the first analysis by the future President of the United States of America.
Trump ally says Ukraine focus must be peace, not territory
Bryan Lanza tells the BBC there needs to be an "honest conversation" with Kyiv and returning Crimea is not a US priority.www.bbc.com
Trump is a savior. The savior of Europe.
After all... Ukraine is huge...too huge. UK or Italy are small small countries in comparison, so some territorial concessions are fine. They are still big.
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The new Ukraine (without those five regions you see) will join the EU...
we EU will prepare Ukraine to be ready to join the NATO.
As everyone else did in Eastern Europe. First the EU, then the NATO.
IMO, Ukraine has to focus on survival. The people of Ukraine, not necessarily the country.
War is not survival.
What the government of Ukraine seeks is the retention of its (the governments) power. Doesn't matter the cost in lives if it can retain its power.
I think Ukraine has been successful enough they can bargain with Russia to retain some of its power.
Speaking of the Middle East, what do you think of Syria and Libya?
I believe there is a devilish cabal that wanted to destroy these two countries, and succeeded.
Their fears are unmotivated because they have already applied for the accession to the EU.
Which means to be totally independent from Russia's control or influence.
Do you understand how gigantic Ukraine is?
It's not a monolithic country
There are several Russian-speaking regions.
Serbia was not a monolith either. There were several wars...the Bosnian war, the Kosovar war...
Serbia lost Bosnia, then Montenegro, Kosovo...
Serbia accepted and moved on.
Ukrainians should stop acting like kindergarten children and accept that those 4 regions belong to the Russian Federation.
Act like adults.
Zelenskyy is too late.
Between a comedian whose presidential mandate has expired last March...and the Czar, I prefer the Czar.
You should watch some rightist commentators, every now and then.
Candace Owens...the best of all.
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That doesn't include NATO right?
The threat of bringing NATO to Russia's border is what started this.
Russia already borders with NATO countries.
Russia doesn't fear NATO countries.
Russia fears that some elitist warmongers bribe the leaders of those countries ... they pay them, so they attack Russia.
That's what Russia fears. But with the EU's corruption laws, barrators should be eliminated like when you spray insecticide on bugs.
Most of countries whom don't follow USA in ME, and being against Israel, destroyed.
Next is Iran.
The issue is not one of understanding the words but, rather, trying to understand why you think you've made a coherent, much less useful, point.
Putin's Russia, long aided by the Wagner gang and other thugs, invades the Ukraine and is continuing to wage war against that country. Your 'socialist' response is to babble about what the Ukraine must do. It's diluted Stalinist nonsense at best.
Putin said he fears it, or certainly dislikes it.
Unless you think Putin lied about it.
Currently only 11% of Russia borders NATO countries. Increasing it I'd suspect is not something they want.
Neither country is in the NATO.
I would like to understand why we NATO are not super partes in this conflict.