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Critical Race Theory: definitions and concerns

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
At the bottom of this post is a link to a 21 minute video I'd encourage you to watch. I'll attempt to summarize some of the important ideas in the video here. First off, the video cites 6 books as being the essential foundation of CRT (titles and author lists summarized):

1 - CRT: The Key Writings, Crenshaw +
2 - How to be an Antiracist, Kendi
3 - CRT: an intro, Delgado and Stefancic
4 - Words that Wound, Matsuda +
5 - White Fragility, DiAngelo

6 - Traditional and Critical Theory, Horkheimer (older, foundational)

Throughout the video, important claims about CRT are cited with screenshots of pages from these books. This seems like a very sound approach to defining CRT.

== Key Ideas in CRT

1 - CRT began as a deep dissatisfaction with the civil rights discourse of the 60s and 70s. Two important values that came out of this period were:
- color-blindness, the idea that laws should apply equally to everyone
- racial integration, the idea that society should be a melting pot and that cultural exchange and power should be shared

CRT, believes these values are flawed. Instead, CRTists promote race consciousness, forming collectives without integrating into society. (A la Malcolm X)

2 - CRT's main analysis approach is to "deconstruct" and then "reconstruct" aspects of society. Once society has been deconstructed, CRT will attempt to construct a new social reality, and direct its operation.

As part of this process, CRT has determined that equality theory, legal reasoning, rationalism, and neutral constitutional law are to be undermined. As an example, CRT considers the academic values of:
- objectivity
- neutrality
- and balance,

to be "white values", and not universally held. And anyone - regardless of skin color - who values objectivity, neutrality, and balance is "white" in practice. Instead of these academic values, CRT promotes "authenticity", which means resisting integration into the "white world". In order to achieve this, CRT promotes subjectivity and political bias. Instead of evidence, CRT promotes personal story-telling, a.k.a. "lived experience".

3 - Racism is THE defining issue of our time. You can either be a racist or an antiracist. An antiracist makes fighting racism the most important societal issue. You CANNOT be non-racist. If you don't act like a racist, BUT you don't hold racism as the most important issue, you are a racist.

4- America is a regime of white supremacy. It's laws, educational system, politics and culture are all in support of white supremacy and must be undone. The replacement plan is not yet clear, but includes:

- making hate speech illegal
- voter redistricting to support race consciousness
- passing an antiracist constitutional amendment and creating a Department of AntiRacism that would oversee all law making.
- embedding CRT into all aspects of academia
- ending capitalism

==

Now one might argue that the video maker has cherry picked some of the most controversial ideas from these books. To that I would say, perhaps, but so what? If you think there is an alternate "CRT-lite", that might be great news, can you provide citations?

 

Lain

Well-Known Member
At the bottom of this post is a link to a 21 minute video I'd encourage you to watch. I'll attempt to summarize some of the important ideas in the video here. First off, the video cites 6 books as being the essential foundation of CRT (titles and author lists summarized):

1 - CRT: The Key Writings, Crenshaw +
2 - How to be an Antiracist, Kendi
3 - CRT: an intro, Delgado and Stefancic
4 - Words that Wound, Matsuda +
5 - White Fragility, DiAngelo

6 - Traditional and Critical Theory, Horkheimer (older, foundational)

Throughout the video, important claims about CRT are cited with screenshots of pages from these books. This seems like a very sound approach to defining CRT.

== Key Ideas in CRT

1 - CRT began as a deep dissatisfaction with the civil rights discourse of the 60s and 70s. Two important values that came out of this period were:
- color-blindness, the idea that laws should apply equally to everyone
- racial integration, the idea that society should be a melting pot and that cultural exchange and power should be shared

CRT, believes these values are flawed. Instead, CRTists promote race consciousness, forming collectives without integrating into society. (A la Malcolm X)

2 - CRT's main analysis approach is to "deconstruct" and then "reconstruct" aspects of society. Once society has been deconstructed, CRT will attempt to construct a new social reality, and direct its operation.

As part of this process, CRT has determined that equality theory, legal reasoning, rationalism, and neutral constitutional law are to be undermined. As an example, CRT considers the academic values of:
- objectivity
- neutrality
- and balance,

to be "white values", and not universally held. And anyone - regardless of skin color - who values objectivity, neutrality, and balance is "white" in practice. Instead of these academic values, CRT promotes "authenticity", which means resisting integration into the "white world". In order to achieve this, CRT promotes subjectivity and political bias. Instead of evidence, CRT promotes personal story-telling, a.k.a. "lived experience".

3 - Racism is THE defining issue of our time. You can either be a racist or an antiracist. An antiracist makes fighting racism the most important societal issue. You CANNOT be non-racist. If you don't act like a racist, BUT you don't hold racism as the most important issue, you are a racist.

4- America is a regime of white supremacy. It's laws, educational system, politics and culture are all in support of white supremacy and must be undone. The replacement plan is not yet clear, but includes:

- making hate speech illegal
- voter redistricting to support race consciousness
- passing an antiracist constitutional amendment and creating a Department of AntiRacism that would oversee all law making.
- embedding CRT into all aspects of academia
- ending capitalism

==

Now one might argue that the video maker has cherry picked some of the most controversial ideas from these books. To that I would say, perhaps, but so what? If you think there is an alternate "CRT-lite", that might be great news, can you provide citations?


All sounds good to me. Those are some of the "CRT" (didn't call 'em that) ideas I have discussed with my fellows, with some differences. Kendi is often considered a meme though.
 
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exchemist

Veteran Member
At the bottom of this post is a link to a 21 minute video I'd encourage you to watch. I'll attempt to summarize some of the important ideas in the video here. First off, the video cites 6 books as being the essential foundation of CRT (titles and author lists summarized):

1 - CRT: The Key Writings, Crenshaw +
2 - How to be an Antiracist, Kendi
3 - CRT: an intro, Delgado and Stefancic
4 - Words that Wound, Matsuda +
5 - White Fragility, DiAngelo

6 - Traditional and Critical Theory, Horkheimer (older, foundational)

Throughout the video, important claims about CRT are cited with screenshots of pages from these books. This seems like a very sound approach to defining CRT.

== Key Ideas in CRT

1 - CRT began as a deep dissatisfaction with the civil rights discourse of the 60s and 70s. Two important values that came out of this period were:
- color-blindness, the idea that laws should apply equally to everyone
- racial integration, the idea that society should be a melting pot and that cultural exchange and power should be shared

CRT, believes these values are flawed. Instead, CRTists promote race consciousness, forming collectives without integrating into society. (A la Malcolm X)

2 - CRT's main analysis approach is to "deconstruct" and then "reconstruct" aspects of society. Once society has been deconstructed, CRT will attempt to construct a new social reality, and direct its operation.

As part of this process, CRT has determined that equality theory, legal reasoning, rationalism, and neutral constitutional law are to be undermined. As an example, CRT considers the academic values of:
- objectivity
- neutrality
- and balance,

to be "white values", and not universally held. And anyone - regardless of skin color - who values objectivity, neutrality, and balance is "white" in practice. Instead of these academic values, CRT promotes "authenticity", which means resisting integration into the "white world". In order to achieve this, CRT promotes subjectivity and political bias. Instead of evidence, CRT promotes personal story-telling, a.k.a. "lived experience".

3 - Racism is THE defining issue of our time. You can either be a racist or an antiracist. An antiracist makes fighting racism the most important societal issue. You CANNOT be non-racist. If you don't act like a racist, BUT you don't hold racism as the most important issue, you are a racist.

4- America is a regime of white supremacy. It's laws, educational system, politics and culture are all in support of white supremacy and must be undone. The replacement plan is not yet clear, but includes:

- making hate speech illegal
- voter redistricting to support race consciousness
- passing an antiracist constitutional amendment and creating a Department of AntiRacism that would oversee all law making.
- embedding CRT into all aspects of academia
- ending capitalism

==

Now one might argue that the video maker has cherry picked some of the most controversial ideas from these books. To that I would say, perhaps, but so what? If you think there is an alternate "CRT-lite", that might be great news, can you provide citations?

This whole ballyhoo is a non-issue, artificially "monstered" by the Right as a way to get the hate glands of their supporters going. :rolleyes:
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack? provides a much more nuanced view than the OP.

Whether one agrees with the specifics of CRT, clearly what is going on we see in news stories such as what I've highlighted below.

The key point to me is not whether or not we agree with some of the "post-modern" ethical ideas but how it's being used by the right to foment attacks on education itself.

Critical race theory is an academic concept that is more than 40 years old. The core idea is that race is a social construct, and that racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies.
...
One conservative organization, the Heritage Foundation, recently attributed a whole host of issues to CRT, including the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests, LGBTQ clubs in schools, diversity training in federal agencies and organizations, California’s recent ethnic studies model curriculum, the free-speech debate on college campuses, and alternatives to exclusionary discipline—such as the Promise program in Broward County, Fla., that some parents blame for the Parkland school shootings. “When followed to its logical conclusion, CRT is destructive and rejects the fundamental ideas on which our constitutional republic is based,” the organization claimed.
...
A good example is when, in the 1930s, government officials literally drew lines around areas deemed poor financial risks, often explicitly due to the racial composition of inhabitants. Banks subsequently refused to offer mortgages to Black people in those areas.
...
This academic understanding of critical race theory differs from representation in recent popular books and, especially, from its portrayal by critics—often, though not exclusively, conservative Republicans. Critics charge that the theory leads to negative dynamics, such as a focus on group identity over universal, shared traits; divides people into “oppressed” and “oppressor” groups; and urges intolerance.
...
All these different ideas grow out of longstanding, tenacious intellectual debates. Critical race theory emerged out of postmodernist thought, which tends to be skeptical of the idea of universal values, objective knowledge, individual merit, Enlightenment rationalism, and liberalism—tenets that conservatives tend to hold dear.
...
Could a teacher who wants to talk about a factual instance of state-sponsored racism—like the establishment of Jim Crow, the series of laws that prevented Black Americans from voting or holding office and separated them from white people in public spaces—be considered in violation of these laws?

It’s also unclear whether these new bills are constitutional, or whether they impermissibly restrict free speech.

It would be extremely difficult, in any case, to police what goes on inside hundreds of thousands of classrooms. But social studies educators fear that such laws could have a chilling effect on teachers who might self-censor their own lessons out of concern for parent or administrator complaints.

As English teacher Mike Stein told Chalkbeat Tennessee about the new law: “History teachers can not adequately teach about the Trail of Tears, the Civil War, and the civil rights movement. English teachers will have to avoid teaching almost any text by an African American author because many of them mention racism to various extents.”


The laws could also become a tool to attack other pieces of the curriculum, including ethnic studies and “action civics”—an approach to civics education that asks students to research local civic problems and propose solutions.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
This whole ballyhoo is a non-issue, artificially "monstered" by the Right as a way to get the hate glands of their supporters going. :rolleyes:

Which parts of the OP do you think are inaccurate?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
provides a much more nuanced view than the OP.

Whether one agrees with the specifics of CRT, clearly what is going on we see in news stories such as what I've highlighted below.

The key point to me is not whether or not we agree with some of the "post-modern" ethical ideas but how it's being used by the right to foment attacks on education itself.

Critical race theory is an academic concept that is more than 40 years old. The core idea is that race is a social construct, and that racism is not merely the product of individual bias or prejudice, but also something embedded in legal systems and policies.

I tied to summarize a 21 minute video into a few paragraphs. I believe the video itself contradicts many of the claims you're making here?
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
2 - CRT's main analysis approach is to "deconstruct" and then "reconstruct" aspects of society. Once society has been deconstructed, CRT will attempt to construct a new social reality, and direct its operation.

Actually, it's the right wing activist Christopher Rufo, creator of the bogeyman CRT who wants to "decodify" and "recodify" (his words) into a catch-all for all the incoherent anger of the right. He's literally doing what he accuses CRT of doing. Here he is:

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How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Which parts of the OP do you think are inaccurate?
That's not the point I am making, which is that its existence is being blown up into a supposedly huge social issue, when it is nothing of the kind.

Demonising the supposed march of Critical Race Theory is a useful cover, under which people can justify their racial prejudice to themselves, bolstered by the self-righteousness of fighting back against this imaginary menace.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Hey @anna b. , @sun rise , @exchemist -

No doubt the right has distorted things. But that's not really the discussion here. The discussion here is to nail down what CRT really is.

So I'd ask again, where do you find the claims in the OP or video to be wrong, and based on what? For example, do you think that the authors cited in the OP are not in fact the main advocates for CRT?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
That's not the point I am making, which is that its existence is being blown up into a supposedly huge social issue, when it is nothing of the kind.

Demonising the supposed march of Critical Race Theory is a useful cover, under which people can justify their racial prejudice to themselves, bolstered by the self-righteousness of fighting back against this imaginary menace.

so do you agree with the OP as far as the DEFINITION goes? Because to me, how people are using it is a separate topic.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Hey @anna b. , @sun rise , @exchemist -

No doubt the right has distorted things. But that's not really the discussion here. The discussion here is to nail down what CRT really is.

So I'd ask again, where do you find the claims in the OP or video to be wrong, and based on what? For example, do you think that the authors cited in the OP are not in fact the main advocates for CRT?
No, the discussion is here is not confined to the ins and outs of the theory. The thread subject is definitions and concerns. I am articulating one of those concerns - a significant one, I would argue, since this appears to be being whipped up into a political cause célèbre with racist undertones.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I tied to summarize a 21 minute video into a few paragraphs. I believe the video itself contradicts many of the claims you're making here?

My post was mostly about an educational organization's take on CRT.

My only claim is that the right is using it to attack teaching history and other disciplines that cover racism and other bigotry and discrimination. Did the video directly contradict that assertion and present evidence?

Uncovering Who Is Driving The Fight Against Critical Race Theory In Schools is more background.

And I note this story as another example
Black homeowner had a white friend stand in for third appraisal. Her home value doubled.

I could go on and on and on and on about the extent of bigotry today. I see at least one news story every day about this. Those who claim that the US does not have a serious issue with racism, antisemitism, anti-LGBTQ etc are wrong.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
So @sun rise - How is it that you can determine that this article is more accurate than the six books cited in the OP?

It's not about quantity but about accuracy. And again specifically what is in those 6 books that contradicts the piece I cited?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
No, the discussion is here is not confined to the ins and outs of the theory. The thread subject is definitions and concerns. I am articulating one of those concerns - a significant one, I would argue, since this appears to be being whipped up into a political cause célèbre with racist undertones.

Do you think the OP misrepresents what CRT is to any substantial degree?
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
At the bottom of this post is a link to a 21 minute video I'd encourage you to watch. I'll attempt to summarize some of the important ideas in the video here. First off, the video cites 6 books as being the essential foundation of CRT (titles and author lists summarized):

1 - CRT: The Key Writings, Crenshaw +
2 - How to be an Antiracist, Kendi
3 - CRT: an intro, Delgado and Stefancic
4 - Words that Wound, Matsuda +
5 - White Fragility, DiAngelo

6 - Traditional and Critical Theory, Horkheimer (older, foundational)

Throughout the video, important claims about CRT are cited with screenshots of pages from these books. This seems like a very sound approach to defining CRT.

== Key Ideas in CRT

1 - CRT began as a deep dissatisfaction with the civil rights discourse of the 60s and 70s. Two important values that came out of this period were:
- color-blindness, the idea that laws should apply equally to everyone
- racial integration, the idea that society should be a melting pot and that cultural exchange and power should be shared

CRT, believes these values are flawed. Instead, CRTists promote race consciousness, forming collectives without integrating into society. (A la Malcolm X)

2 - CRT's main analysis approach is to "deconstruct" and then "reconstruct" aspects of society. Once society has been deconstructed, CRT will attempt to construct a new social reality, and direct its operation.

As part of this process, CRT has determined that equality theory, legal reasoning, rationalism, and neutral constitutional law are to be undermined. As an example, CRT considers the academic values of:
- objectivity
- neutrality
- and balance,

to be "white values", and not universally held. And anyone - regardless of skin color - who values objectivity, neutrality, and balance is "white" in practice. Instead of these academic values, CRT promotes "authenticity", which means resisting integration into the "white world". In order to achieve this, CRT promotes subjectivity and political bias. Instead of evidence, CRT promotes personal story-telling, a.k.a. "lived experience".

3 - Racism is THE defining issue of our time. You can either be a racist or an antiracist. An antiracist makes fighting racism the most important societal issue. You CANNOT be non-racist. If you don't act like a racist, BUT you don't hold racism as the most important issue, you are a racist.

4- America is a regime of white supremacy. It's laws, educational system, politics and culture are all in support of white supremacy and must be undone. The replacement plan is not yet clear, but includes:

- making hate speech illegal
- voter redistricting to support race consciousness
- passing an antiracist constitutional amendment and creating a Department of AntiRacism that would oversee all law making.
- embedding CRT into all aspects of academia
- ending capitalism

==

Now one might argue that the video maker has cherry picked some of the most controversial ideas from these books. To that I would say, perhaps, but so what? If you think there is an alternate "CRT-lite", that might be great news, can you provide citations?


Thanks for sharing the video. It was very informative and I’m glad they included direct quotations to illustrate what CRT is in their own words. That was really good to see. :)
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
My post was mostly about an educational organization's take on CRT.

My only claim is that the right is using it to attack teaching history and other disciplines that cover racism and other bigotry and discrimination. Did the video directly contradict that assertion and present evidence?

Uncovering Who Is Driving The Fight Against Critical Race Theory In Schools is more background.

And I note this story as another example
Black homeowner had a white friend stand in for third appraisal. Her home value doubled.

I could go on and on and on and on about the extent of bigotry today. I see at least one news story every day about this. Those who claim that the US does not have a serious issue with racism, antisemitism, anti-LGBTQ etc are wrong.

Criticism of CRT is by no means a denial that racism exists. Criticism of CRT is more about the idea that CRT provides a poor set of tools for fighting racism.
 

Lain

Well-Known Member
Criticism of CRT is by no means a denial that racism exists. Criticism of CRT is more about the idea that CRT provides a poor set of tools for fighting racism.

Do you think it provides a poor set of tools? If so why and what in it do you think is poor? Frankly I consider a lot of it to be self-evident.
 
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