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Critical Race Theory?

Do you think Critical Race Theory has merit?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 55.3%
  • No

    Votes: 13 27.7%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 8 17.0%

  • Total voters
    47

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
CRT may not be anti white by definition, but its definitely racist in terms that essentially stereotypes all white people as being inherent racists themselves, and needing an education about black people and how to approach a black person.
Firstly, you would need to provide a clear example of this. CRT is a broad, highly academic subject with a wealth of views and theories - there is no one singular perspective that it holds and it makes no specific claims.

Secondly, it isn't racist to point out imbalances in power structures throughout history can lead to certain racial groups harbouring specific ingrained attitudes or behaviours. It would only be racist if you believed that this were somehow essential or intrinsic to the race itself, rather than a product of history.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Firstly, you would need to provide a clear example of this. CRT is a broad, highly academic subject with a wealth of views and theories - there is no one singular perspective that it holds and it makes no specific claims.

Secondly, it isn't racist to point out imbalances in power structures throughout history can lead to certain racial groups harbouring specific ingrained attitudes or behaviours. It would only be racist if you believed that this were somehow essential or intrinsic to the race itself, rather than a product of history.
It's sufficient that an accurate history is taught including the brutality and indignity of slavery in history.

It's not appropriate to replace history with biased activism in a school setting as being part of a curriculum. As one person put it, "White people are not that cognitively deficient for which therapy is required".

Leave the activism for the colleges among other institutions to do.
 
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ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
It's sufficient that an accurate history is taught including the brutality and indignity of slavery in history.

It's not appropriate to replace history with biased activism in a school setting as being part of a curriculum. As one person put it, "White people are not that cognitively deficient for which therapy is required".

Leave the activism for the colleges among other institutions to do.
What makes you think CRT is replacing history lessons in school, and what makes you think it is "biased activism"? Are you suggesting censoring a perfectly respectable academic field simply because you do not like the conclusions it reaches?

You've not even remotely come close to responding to either of the things I just explained.
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It's sufficient that an accurate history is taught including the brutality and indignity of slavery in history.

It's not appropriate to replace history with biased activism in a school setting as being part of a curriculum. As one person put it, "White people are not that cognitively deficient for which therapy is required".

Leave the activism for the colleges among other institutions to do.
CRT is taught at the college/university level. It's not taught in elementary, middle or high schools, as all the Republican talking head pundits would have you believe.
 
CRT is taught at the college/university level. It's not taught in elementary, middle or high schools, as all the Republican talking head pundits would have you believe.

This argument is one of those things that is both true and also highly misleading. It relies on 2 people using terms in different ways, both technically being correct.

While they may not teach college level CRT to kids, CRT has certainly influenced k-12 classroom activities and its ideas are thus 'being taught' in schools.

Some educators distill the aforementioned [CRT] principles into a pedagogical approach referred to as critical race pedagogy. Critical race pedagogy encapsulates the teaching practices and content that Educators of Color employ for Students of Color (Jennings & Lynn, 2005; Leonardo, 2009; Lynn, 1999, 2004, 2005; Lynn & Jennings, 2009; Solórzano & Yosso, 2000b) in order to center race and racism, validate the experiential knowledge of Students of Color, and deconstruct dominant ideologies in their class- rooms. In other words, critical race pedagogy is characterized by the ‘emancipatory teaching practices of People of Color’who utilize multiple‘liberatory strategies as a vehicle for counteracting the devaluation of racially oppressed students’ (Lynn, 2004, p. 155). These approaches include – but are not limited to – critical pedagogy (Freire, 2003), anti-racist pedagogy (Sleeter & Delgado Bernal, 2004), decolonial pedagogy (Asher, 2009), feminist pedagogy (Trinh, 1989), border pedagogy (Giroux, 1988), Afro-centric pedagogy (Lynn, 2004), culturally responsive pedagogy (Ladson-Billings, 1995), and engaged pedagogy (hooks, 1994). Critical race scholars describe these varied teaching stances and curricular choices as not only a form of ‘dissent’ towards the inequities that subordinate marginalized students (e.g. poli- cies, curriculum, funding structures, and testing standards), but also a source of ‘affirmation’ that helps develop positive cultural/racial/ethnic identities (Jennings & Lynn, 2005, p. 192). Such approaches and class material challenge color-blindness, whiteness, meritocracy, assimilation, and conformity in K-12 schools; they also critique deficit thinking about the educability of Students of Color. Moreover, critical race pedagogy aims to revolutionize classrooms into sites where marginalized students flourish (Leonardo, 2004, 2009; Lynn, 1999; Robinson, 1997; Stovall, 2006a). Thus, critical race pedagogy utilizes various instructional approaches and race-based content that, at minimum, both challenge mainstream discourses and legitimize the experiential knowledge of Students of Color...

Most of the literature documenting challenges to pedagogies – like critical race pedagogy – that unmask and dismantle systems of oppression concern the reactions and sentiments of white students. In particular, much emphasis is placed on how both white and non-white educators face multiple challenges in their efforts to name and interrogate race and whiteness among the nation’s predominantly white college students (Johnson, Rich, & Cargile, 2008). Simpson, Causey, and Williams (2007) argue that classroom spaces mirror contemporary society’s dysfunctional color-blind or post-racial discourses (Johnson & Bhatt, 2003; Roberts, Bell, & Murphy, 2008), resulting in ‘heightened tension, resistance to or denial of raced readings of reality, rigorous avoidance of race issues’ (Simpson et al., 2007, p. 34). Notably, the current millennial generation of college students present a particular challenge to these types of pedagogical approaches, because although they may have more tolerant racial attitudes, they are invested in a post-racial world which they believe is better integrated and more egalitarian than years past, resulting in a skewed understanding of racism (Mueller, 2013).


Sonya M. Alemán & Sarita Gaytán (2016): ‘It doesn’t speak to me’: understanding student of color resistance to critical race pedagogy, International Journal of Qualitative Studies in Education, DOI: 10.1080/09518398.2016.1242801
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
This argument is one of those things that is both true and also highly misleading. It relies on 2 people using terms in different ways, both technically being correct.

While they may not teach college level CRT to kids, CRT has certainly influenced k-12 classroom activities and its ideas are thus 'being taught' in schools.

Some educators distill the aforementioned [CRT] principles into a pedagogical approach referred to as critical race pedagogy. Critical race pedagogy encapsulates the teaching practices and content that Educators of Color employ for Students of Color (Jennings & Lynn, 2005; Leonardo, 2009; Lynn, 1999, 2004, 2005; Lynn & Jennings, 2009; Solórzano & Yosso, 2000b) in order to center race and racism, validate the experiential knowledge of Students of Color, and deconstruct dominant ideologies in their class- rooms. In other words, critical race pedagogy is characterized by the ‘emancipatory teaching practices of People of Color’who utilize multiple‘liberatory strategies as a vehicle for counteracting the devaluation of racially oppressed students’ (Lynn, 2004, p. 155). These approaches include – but are not limited to – critical pedagogy (Freire, 2003), anti-racist pedagogy (Sleeter & Delgado Bernal, 2004), decolonial pedagogy (Asher, 2009), feminist pedagogy (Trinh, 1989), border pedagogy (Giroux, 1988), Afro-centric pedagogy (Lynn, 2004), culturally responsive pedagogy (Ladson-Billings, 1995), and engaged pedagogy (hooks, 1994). Critical race scholars describe these varied teaching stances and curricular choices as not only a form of ‘dissent’ towards the inequities that subordinate marginalized students (e.g. poli- cies, curriculum, funding structures, and testing standards), but also a source of ‘affirmation’ that helps develop positive cultural/racial/ethnic identities (Jennings & Lynn, 2005, p. 192). Such approaches and class material challenge color-blindness, whiteness, meritocracy, assimilation, and conformity in K-12 schools; they also critique deficit thinking about the educability of Students of Color. Moreover, critical race pedagogy aims to revolutionize classrooms into sites where marginalized students flourish (Leonardo, 2004, 2009; Lynn, 1999; Robinson, 1997; Stovall, 2006a). Thus, critical race pedagogy utilizes various instructional approaches and race-based content that, at minimum, both challenge mainstream discourses and legitimize the experiential knowledge of Students of Color...

Most of the literature documenting challenges to pedagogies – like critical race pedagogy – that unmask and dismantle systems of oppression concern the reactions and sentiments of white students. In particular, much emphasis is placed on how both white and non-white educators face multiple challenges in their efforts to name and interrogate race and whiteness among the nation’s predominantly white college students (Johnson, Rich, & Cargile, 2008). Simpson, Causey, and Williams (2007) argue that classroom spaces mirror contemporary society’s dysfunctional color-blind or post-racial discourses (Johnson & Bhatt, 2003; Roberts, Bell, & Murphy, 2008), resulting in ‘heightened tension, resistance to or denial of raced readings of reality, rigorous avoidance of race issues’ (Simpson et al., 2007, p. 34). Notably, the current millennial generation of college students present a particular challenge to these types of pedagogical approaches, because although they may have more tolerant racial attitudes, they are invested in a post-racial world which they believe is better integrated and more egalitarian than years past, resulting in a skewed understanding of racism (Mueller, 2013).


Sonya M. Alemán & Sarita Gaytán (2016): ‘It doesn’t speak to me’: understanding student of color resistance to critical race pedagogy, International Journal of Qualitative Studies in Education, DOI: 10.1080/09518398.2016.1242801
EDIT: I misread this post as being from Twilight Hue.

This extract does not even remotely support your assertion.

It also fails to support your assertion that CRT is "biased activism", or that CRT principles affecting education is in any way a bad thing. CRT has been a respected academic field that has been taught at college and University levels since the 70s. Again, are you suggesting censoring it because you don't like it's conclusions, or are you simply under the misapprehension that CRT is something far more sinister than it actually is?
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
CRT is taught at the college/university level. It's not taught in elementary, middle or high schools, as all the Republican talking head pundits would have you believe.
If that's true I don't have a problem aside with two exceptions.

Hopefully, it isnt deemed a prerequisite course for graduation, and secondly, an opt out is available for those who are just not interested.
 
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This extract does not even remotely support your assertion.

"Some educators distill the aforementioned [CRT] principles into a pedagogical approach referred to as critical race pedagogy."

The scholarly journal that cites dozens of sources about critical race pedagogy does not support my assertion that CRT has influenced some K-12 teaching?

Suit yourself :rolleyes:

It also fails to support your assertion that CRT is "biased activism", or that CRT principles affecting education is in any way a bad thing. CRT has been a respected academic field that has been taught at college and University levels since the 70s. Again, are you suggesting censoring it because you don't like it's conclusions, or are you simply under the misapprehension that CRT is something far more sinister than it actually is?

You read that in my post?

What I said in that post:

This argument is one of those things that is both true and also highly misleading. It relies on 2 people using terms in different ways, both technically being correct.

While they may not teach college level CRT to kids, CRT has certainly influenced k-12 classroom activities and its ideas are thus 'being taught' in schools.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
"Some educators distill the aforementioned [CRT] principles into a pedagogical approach referred to as critical race pedagogy."

The scholarly journal that cites dozens of sources about critical race pedagogy does not support my assertion that CRT has influenced some K-12 teaching?

Suit yourself :rolleyes:



You read that in my post?

What I said in that post:

This argument is one of those things that is both true and also highly misleading. It relies on 2 people using terms in different ways, both technically being correct.

While they may not teach college level CRT to kids, CRT has certainly influenced k-12 classroom activities and its ideas are thus 'being taught' in schools.
My mistake, I misread your post as being from Twilight Hue.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
If that's true I don't have a problem aside with two exceptions.

Hopefully, it isnt deemed a prerequisite course for graduation, and secondly, an opt out is available for those who are just not interested.
It's true.

Notice how you've never heard a word about this until just recently, despite the fact that it's been taught at university/college level since at least the 1970s? This is just another one of those ridiculous things the Republicans have been trotting out lately to create controversy where it doesn't exist, to keep everyone distracted so that they don't realize the Republicans have no platform, and no ideas. It's just like the Dr. Seuss thing, and the Mr. Potato Head thing ... it's a total non-issue that's being blown completely out of proportion for some kind of lame political gain.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's true.

Notice how you've never heard a word about this until just recently, despite the fact that it's been taught at university/college level since at least the 1970s? This is just another one of those ridiculous things the Republicans have been trotting out lately to create controversy where it doesn't exist, to keep everyone distracted so that they don't realize the Republicans have no platform, and no ideas. It's just like the Dr. Seuss thing, and the Mr. Potato Head thing ... it's a total non-issue that's being blown completely out of proportion for some kind of lame political gain.
I was under the impression that it was being implemented in grade school.

College level seems appropriate provided it dosent become a prerequisite course.
 
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