Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I'm so sorry....I completely misread your post. Please accept my apologies.
Not a problem. I can see how the wording could be misconstrued.
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CRT Divisiveness, the culprit
- Thread starter The Hammer
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Not a problem. I can see how the wording could be misconstrued.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Anti-Jewish sentiment tends to be vague and related to conspiracy theory, while the concept of systematic racism in the United States can be backed by historical data: enslavement, Black Codes, Jim Crow, modern examples of redlining, and anti-voting laws targeting certain groups of people can be presented as evidence.
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
Even Fox's Tucker Carlson can't explain it although he's been arguing against it for a year.
https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1456051859177758727?s=20
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Precisely. So teach history and leave the radical activism out of the classroom.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And yet I understand that now he's the hottest in the ratings at evening Fox. Thus, the more bombastic and idiotic things he says to feed the bases' ignorance and hate, the more of an audience they attract-- thus, a variation of the "squeaky-wheel syndrome".
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Um...sure. So you agree that your analogy of antisemitism and CRT is flawed?
What radical activism specifically are you referring to?
@F1fan - first off, I consider myself to be a liberal. When I'm discussing divisiveness in THIS thread, I'm talking about amongst liberals. What I'm saying is that in order to counter the right, the left must not divide itself. I would say that the far left often becomes "illiberal". When we're told that if we're not "antiracist" we're racist, that's an illiberal stance. It's divisive. When we're told that an individual's "lived experience" makes them an expert, that's an illiberal stance. I'm sure your neighbor has faced many challenges, but that does not make her an expert in societal reform.
As for me providing solutions, well I've already hinted at some aspects of good solutions. But to be clear, we can be critical of bad solutions even if we don't have better ones. If you're honest with yourself, you have to admit that you're critical of many things for which you don't have solutions, right?
Back to the left vs. the right. As a "lefty" and a liberal, I think we absolutely need to fight the right. One thing to notice is that the right is more coordinated than the left. When asked whether he was a member of an organized political party, Will Rogers famously replied, "No, I'm a democrat". So the first thing I'd say is that when we assess solutions, the first thing we ought to ask is whether the solution divides liberals. If it does, that should probably disqualify it.
When I'm discussing divisiveness in THIS thread, I'm talking about amongst liberals. What I'm saying is that in order to counter the right, the left must not divide itself. I would say that the far left often becomes "illiberal". When we're told that if we're not "antiracist" we're racist, that's an illiberal stance. It's divisive. When we're told that an individual's "lived experience" makes them an expert, that's an illiberal stance. I'm sure your neighbor has faced many challenges, but that does not make her an expert in societal reform.As for me providing solutions, well I've already hinted at some aspects of good solutions. But to be clear, we can be critical of bad solutions even if we don't have better ones. If you're honest with yourself, you have to admit that you're critical of many things for which you don't have solutions, right?
Back to the left vs. the right. As a "lefty" and a liberal, I think we absolutely need to fight the right. One thing to notice is that the right is more coordinated than the left. When asked whether he was a member of an organized political party, Will Rogers famously replied, "No, I'm a democrat". So the first thing I'd say is that when we assess solutions, the first thing we ought to ask is whether the solution divides liberals. If it does, that should probably disqualify it.
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Define "radical activism" for the discussion. Explain how it is actually happening in reference to CRT.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Exhibit A that further evidences my point: Tennessee moms' group tears the veil off the whole 'critical race theory' panic (dailykos.com)
As I said, this isn't about "critical race theory"; it's about white conservatives not wanting kids to be taught that the US actually has a history of racism, because it might make them feel uncomfortable.
Thanks are due to the Williamson County, Tennessee, chapter of Moms for Liberty for once again clarifying what the “critical race theory” (CRT) uproar is really about...
...The group, run by a woman whose children do not attend public school, filed a complaint with the Tennessee Department of Education claiming that some texts being taught to grade-school students violate the state’s new law against teaching about “privilege” or “guilt” or “discomfort” based on race or sex. The texts? Books for second-graders including Martin Luther King, Jr. and the March on Washington and Ruby Bridges Goes to School, along with Separate is Never Equal and The Story of Ruby Bridges.
In the first book listed, Moms for Liberty specifically object to the following:
Similarly, Moms for Liberty thinks it is against Tennessee law that, in Ruby Bridges Goes to School,
...The group, run by a woman whose children do not attend public school, filed a complaint with the Tennessee Department of Education claiming that some texts being taught to grade-school students violate the state’s new law against teaching about “privilege” or “guilt” or “discomfort” based on race or sex. The texts? Books for second-graders including Martin Luther King, Jr. and the March on Washington and Ruby Bridges Goes to School, along with Separate is Never Equal and The Story of Ruby Bridges.
In the first book listed, Moms for Liberty specifically object to the following:
Pages 22-23 shows photographs of white firemen blasting black children to the point of "bruising their bodies and ripping off their clothes."
Pages 18-19 show photographs of white and colored drinking fountains, asking "Which of these fountains looks nicer to you."
Pages 18-19 show photographs of white and colored drinking fountains, asking "Which of these fountains looks nicer to you."
Similarly, Moms for Liberty thinks it is against Tennessee law that, in Ruby Bridges Goes to School,
Pages 2-3 depict photographs of a neighborhood sign that reads “WE WANT WHITE TENANTS IN OUR WHITE COMMUNITY” and a smiling white boy holding a sign that says “We wont [sic] go to school with Negroes.”
Pages 14-15 shows a group of white people holding up signs that read “We want segragation [sic]” and “We don’t want to Integrate.”
Pages 24-25 shows the Normal Rockwell painting The Problem We All Live With, depicting Ruby Bridges walking to school with the “N word” in the background.
Pages 14-15 shows a group of white people holding up signs that read “We want segragation [sic]” and “We don’t want to Integrate.”
Pages 24-25 shows the Normal Rockwell painting The Problem We All Live With, depicting Ruby Bridges walking to school with the “N word” in the background.
As I said, this isn't about "critical race theory"; it's about white conservatives not wanting kids to be taught that the US actually has a history of racism, because it might make them feel uncomfortable.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Notice how the guy didn't cite anything specific from actual curricula in the school? I guess if your point was that black folks can repeat false right-wing talking points too, then congratulations.
Now, please explain what that has to do with the complaints filed in TN.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
All you need to do is look where the theory originated. Via 1970s activism.
It's supposed to address systemic issues which would be good if that was all it entails, for which much of it has been since negated, allowing folks to enjoy an even playing field today anyways.
All of it revolves around skin color, vilification of whites, reinforces the black person as being systematic victims of white oppression
and none of it addresses content of character in any way.
Activism needs to be kept out of the classroom. Save it for the college podiums.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Again, what does any of that have to do with the group in TN trying to ban schools from teaching about the history of the civil rights movement? Why do you think they want those things banned?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I dunno about you, but all of that was already taught in schools before CRT. The Parents don't want their kids radicalized by activist propaganda. It's pretty plain and simple.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
You're completely ignoring the point. I showed where parents in TN are citing "critical race theory" as a reason for banning teaching about the history of the civil rights movement. I'm asking you why you think they're doing that. Care to answer?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It has nothing to do with banning teaching about the civil rights movement. That is already being taught anyways in the regular curriculum In schools nationwide.
The banning again, is against radicalism and propaganda that these so called theories provide.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
So why is the group in TN citing CRT in their efforts to stop schools from teaching about the history of the civil rights movement?
Yes, the token black person who "proves" conservatives aren't racist. This completely evades all the racist things conservatives are doing in subtle ways.
What exactly is radical? What is propaganda?
Give us examples of this being the case, and not just right wing rhetoric that fears black people attaining equality.