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Cultural Appropriation

Stevicus

Stevicus

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Kim Kardashian shapewear drama: Kardashian West drops "Kimono" name from underwear line as Japan accuses her of cultural appropriation - CBS News

I know there has been a thread on this topic in the past, since it appears to be an ongoing issue which crops up from time to time. The latest example is Kim Kardashian's new line of underwear which was named "Kimono." However, after a letter from the mayor of Kyoto asking her to reconsider the name, she has decided to change the name.

The mayor of Japan's ancient capital Kyoto was among those who asked the reality television star to consider renaming her shapewear line.

"Kimono is a traditional ethnic dress fostered in our rich nature and history," Kyoto Mayor Daisaku Kadokawa wrote in a letter to Kardashian.

"(I) ask you to reconsider your decision of using the name Kimono in your trademark," Kadokawa said.
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Although Kardashian agreed to change the name, the Japanese sent an official from their Patent Office to discuss the situation with the US government.

However, Kardashian's U-turn did not appear to mollify Japanese officials, with Trade and Industry Minister Hiroshige Seko announcing that Tokyo would send senior Patent Office staff to the U.S. on July 9 to discuss the situation.

"The kimono is a culture our country has given to the world. In America as well, kimono has a high name recognition as being Japanese," Seko told reporters in Tokyo.

"I hope the United States will take the appropriate screening measures, taking into account the spirit of the trademark system," added the minister.
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To be honest, I'm not sure exactly what the complaint is here. Was the clothing line itself disrespectful to Japanese culture, or is it just the choice of the name? Are they claiming that the Japanese would lose money or that it might confuse consumers who are looking to buy an authentic Japanese kimono (yet accidentally buying one of Kardashian's kimonos instead)?

Do cultural symbols only belong to the country they come from? As a counter-example, should Japanese baseball teams or rock-and-roll bands now disband, since they embrace elements of another culture which is not their own? How far can one take this notion of "cultural appropriation"?
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Stevicus said:
Kim Kardashian shapewear drama: Kardashian West drops "Kimono" name from underwear line as Japan accuses her of cultural appropriation - CBS News

I know there has been a thread on this topic in the past, since it appears to be an ongoing issue which crops up from time to time. The latest example is Kim Kardashian's new line of underwear which was named "Kimono." However, after a letter from the mayor of Kyoto asking her to reconsider the name, she has decided to change the name.



Although Kardashian agreed to change the name, the Japanese sent an official from their Patent Office to discuss the situation with the US government.



To be honest, I'm not sure exactly what the complaint is here. Was the clothing line itself disrespectful to Japanese culture, or is it just the choice of the name? Are they claiming that the Japanese would lose money or that it might confuse consumers who are looking to buy an authentic Japanese kimono (yet accidentally buying one of Kardashian's kimonos instead)?

Do cultural symbols only belong to the country they come from? As a counter-example, should Japanese baseball teams or rock-and-roll bands now disband, since they embrace elements of another culture which is not their own? How far can one take this notion of "cultural appropriation"?
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Lets take it as far as to give the entire bible back to
the Jews.
 
W

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
Lets take it as far as to give the entire bible back to
the Jews.
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By entire Bible you are advocating giving the entire Bible, B'rit Hadasha and all to the Jews.... interesting..

B'rit Hadasha being the New Testament
The gift is free. It's already been offered.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Estro Felino said:
:facepalm:

Do not eat pizza any more..Americans
It's a cultural appropriation....
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You must give up noodles...an idea stolen from the Chinese.
And the latter must give up space flight.

Any flag with less than 50 stars is heinous.
It speaks of censorship, no legal abortion, no gay marriage,
prayer in public schools, Jim Crow, & lynchings.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
whirlingmerc said:
By entire Bible you are advocating giving the entire Bible, B'rit Hadasha and all to the Jews.... interesting..

B'rit Hadasha being the New Testament
The gift is free. It's already been offered.
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Just sayn' your "god" is appropriated from
a completely different culture. I can hardly
see why anyone would even want to do that.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
You must give up noodles...an idea stolen from the Chinese.
And the latter must give up space flight.

Any flag with less than 50 stars is heinous.
It speaks of censorship, no legal abortion, no gay marriage,
prayer in public schools, Jim Crow, & lynchings.
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Imagine all the words we have to give up!!!
 
The Reverend Bob

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I wish the Japanese would take this stance with every pillow humping otaku in the US

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Curious George

Curious George

Veteran Member
Stevicus said:
Kim Kardashian shapewear drama: Kardashian West drops "Kimono" name from underwear line as Japan accuses her of cultural appropriation - CBS News

I know there has been a thread on this topic in the past, since it appears to be an ongoing issue which crops up from time to time. The latest example is Kim Kardashian's new line of underwear which was named "Kimono." However, after a letter from the mayor of Kyoto asking her to reconsider the name, she has decided to change the name.



Although Kardashian agreed to change the name, the Japanese sent an official from their Patent Office to discuss the situation with the US government.



To be honest, I'm not sure exactly what the complaint is here. Was the clothing line itself disrespectful to Japanese culture, or is it just the choice of the name? Are they claiming that the Japanese would lose money or that it might confuse consumers who are looking to buy an authentic Japanese kimono (yet accidentally buying one of Kardashian's kimonos instead)?

Do cultural symbols only belong to the country they come from? As a counter-example, should Japanese baseball teams or rock-and-roll bands now disband, since they embrace elements of another culture which is not their own? How far can one take this notion of "cultural appropriation"?
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Well depending on her trademarks, selling Kimonos in the U.S. might have some barriers. Similarly Deckers tried to trademark UGG in Australia. That wasn't happening.

That said, if you have a product of a specific name, and another company tries to sell a different product with that name, you might be worried about name association.
 
Quintessence

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Naming an underwear line "kimono" is definitely inappropriate. I would not, however, call this "cultural appropriation" as much as I would point a finger at capitalism and its general insensitivity towards cultural traditions. This would hardly be the first time that market capitalists have dragged someone's sacred things through the mud to make a buck.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
Quintessence said:
Naming an underwear line "kimono" is definitely inappropriate. I would not, however, call this "cultural appropriation" as much as I would point a finger at capitalism and its general insensitivity towards cultural traditions. This would hardly be the first time that market capitalists have dragged someone's sacred things through the mud to make a buck.
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Can a "culture" claim anything? with copyrights, at least a physical being exists to make claims... but who can claim to represent a culture? And by what authority?
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Quintessence said:
Naming an underwear line "kimono" is definitely inappropriate. I would not, however, call this "cultural appropriation" as much as I would point a finger at capitalism and its general insensitivity towards cultural traditions. This would hardly be the first time that market capitalists have dragged someone's sacred things through the mud to make a buck.
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Darn them market capitalists. Is there nothing
so rotten and evil, just plain bad, they they will
not do it to make a sinful buck???

Oh, um, what is a market capitalist?
 
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