I just saw a documentary on tv, well streamed it. It included an interview with an actual pedophile currently under investigation by the police. This person said that he want to be cured from his condition. Curing pedophiles is not possible with today's understanding of medical science but maybe, one day it will be. This is the Pandora's box, once we figured out how to cure certain mental conditions, we are on the road to cure all of them. In some cases it would be voluntary treatments but soon peer pressure and sometime local law will force treatment on on everyone that are deviating form the norm. I guess most people would like the pedophiles cured but shall we force that on say, homosexuals? Homosexuality are illegal in some countries after all and those countries will most likely enforce the cure, and screen for closet gays to make sure they get them all. After that the cure can be used on people that disagree with an totalitarian government. We could end up with nations of living zombies that do what the government tells them to do, or else they be reprogrammed to want to obey. So, shall we risk opening Pandora's box or is the human mind something we should stay away from?
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Curing phedophiles and Pandora's box.
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Leftimies
Dwelling in the Principle
And let the pedophile with huge guilt issues and miserable existence dwell in his abode of self-loathing? For what? For the integrity of the rainbow nation? What an utterly selfish notion. Of course he deserves treatment; should we, by the same logic, deny a cancer patient access to nanobots since they could be applied to exhort control on the individual? Should we deny an epileptic a chance to be free of seizures, based on a notion of restriction on neurological applications?
You cannot deny people treatment. Ever. They have every right to choose a life worth living.
Additionally, if a treatment to make one sexually normal, in evolutionary sense, existed, and was made globally accessible for no cost, there would be no need to force anyone. People of more deviating character would certainly arrive without telling. After all, orgasm is orgasm no matter what the orientation, why not do it the way nature intended (by obtaining cure) ? If a gay person could enjoy straight sex to its full extent, why be gay at all? Thus no need for forcing.
Needless to say, if someone would not want that, then forcing it upon that person would be an abomination, if he/she was, say transsexual or homosexual and wanted to stay as such. Once again, freedom of choice. But it should be available for those willing to get it. If such treatment is even plausible, which it isn't in any foreseeable future.
About the totalitarian governments, they are an inevitability. They won't come due to treatments like this, though, but when humans and digital realm merge. Thats where the mind control really hits in.
My two rusty cents.
You cannot deny people treatment. Ever. They have every right to choose a life worth living.
Additionally, if a treatment to make one sexually normal, in evolutionary sense, existed, and was made globally accessible for no cost, there would be no need to force anyone. People of more deviating character would certainly arrive without telling. After all, orgasm is orgasm no matter what the orientation, why not do it the way nature intended (by obtaining cure) ? If a gay person could enjoy straight sex to its full extent, why be gay at all? Thus no need for forcing.
Needless to say, if someone would not want that, then forcing it upon that person would be an abomination, if he/she was, say transsexual or homosexual and wanted to stay as such. Once again, freedom of choice. But it should be available for those willing to get it. If such treatment is even plausible, which it isn't in any foreseeable future.
About the totalitarian governments, they are an inevitability. They won't come due to treatments like this, though, but when humans and digital realm merge. Thats where the mind control really hits in.
My two rusty cents.
We're not going to be able to do such things, at least not anytime soon, since we don't understand how the mind works or how sexuality forms. We may never figure it out.
As for pedophiles, I think they should just accept their sexuality and there should be greater support for such people to help them keep from breaking the law.
As for pedophiles, I think they should just accept their sexuality and there should be greater support for such people to help them keep from breaking the law.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Pedophilia is not a sickness so there is no cure. It is criminality, I bet you dollars to donuts that their are high incidences of narcissism and sociopathy among pedophiles
Gehennaite
Active Member
There are too many factors involved, and it therefore becomes an irreducibly complex subject.
Even if we did possess the knowledge, I still don't think we have the right to alter human consciousness unless it is our own. The only person I would trust with the authority to alter my consciousness is my Creator.
Even if we did possess the knowledge, I still don't think we have the right to alter human consciousness unless it is our own. The only person I would trust with the authority to alter my consciousness is my Creator.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
No it's not.
Pedophilia is an orientation. It is the sexual preference of pre-pubescent children. It is an inherently disordered orientation as there is no way to act on the desires without causing harm.
People who molest children are not necessarily pedophiles. The majority of individuals who molest children are heterosexual - they would prefer an opposite sex partner. Popular culture conflates the two things, but they are not the same. Similarly a 13 year old who is post-pubescent isn't a target for a pedophile, there's another word for that, but it isn't really relevant.
Treatment for a "child molester" is not the same as treatment for a "pedophile" as the causes of the behavior are entirely different.
There is an increased incidence in anti-social personality disorder among convicted felons. (Sociopathy is not the same thing.) Narcissitic Peronsality Disorder isn't typically involved. Egoism is explain by ASPD.
The most important thing to do with pedophiles is ensure they understand and agree that assaulting children is wrong. There is a lot of disordered thinking that has some pretty screwed up justifications behind it. There are absolutely predators out there, and there are also people who desperately don't want to act on their desires. At this point, nothing works.
I am however in favor of giving it a try if the individual wants, if they believe the risk for harm if they do outweighs the risk of harm if they don't. With homosexuality, there's no risk of harm if people are gay (the most effective treatment is to help people accept themselves for who they are) and huge risk for harm if you try to treat them like it isn't. And ultimately if we ever figure out how to change orientations, then I think we're past the point where it could be used to make people straight only. I think there'd be movement in both directions if it were easy enough.
I have no concerns of a pedophilia curing industry, there's too much stigma around it. And we're moving past the Pray Away the Gay industry. Unless we find some orientation "fixing" magic in the next five years I think it will be far to late for those who would abuse it.
Either that or Handmaid's Tale is right around the corner.
Leftimies
Dwelling in the Principle
I think its pretty close, actually. I mean the complete re-defining of human race as a whole. It is hard for me to see humanity still in this biological form after, say, 200-300 years from now. Technology will, at its current evolution rate, soon provide us with a way to redesign ourselves for the first time. It has its dangers, but also possibilities. The topic on this thread is one of the resolvable things. I think it will spur a lot of conflict though.
Call me scifi weirdo, but it is coming.
The Adept
Member
Pedophiles are psychopathic. (Psychopathia Sexualis 1896)
So you are right, they are sociopathic; otherwise they would avoid the vile crime for the sake of social conformity.
There is no natural reason they would consider the sexually immature to be viable sexual partners. A culture of frigidity does not help and may create an aversion to normal objects of sexual desire.
The male hormone creates a visual attraction to curves which sexually mature females have in abundance and children simply do not have. Therefore there is a dysfunction.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Is it wise to use papers from the 19th century to judge sexual desire?
I would love to know what the paper says about homosexuality.
The Adept
Member
The untampered original found homosexuality to be Sexual Insanity.
After much research.
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
The Adept
Member
Pedophilia is a harmful condition, so it is no big surprise that at least some of the afflicted wish they could be cured from it. Homosexuality is something else entirely.
Most of your other concerns seem a bit implausible to me, frankly.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Fair point as well.
Let's forget science. Let's just yell bigoted statements at each other and call it a day.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
A culture... of frigidity. What do you mean by that?
Are you a time traveler from the past, because that would explain a lot right now.
Are you for real? That book is wildly outdated. I've read parts of it and it's only useful as an example of how far psychology and psychiatry have come. That book was written during the Dark Ages of those fields, when the mentally ill were treated like criminals to be locked up in prisons and basically tortured.
Eugenics doesn't work, just so you know.
