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'Da Vinci Code'et al....Is the public really that gullible?

bunny1ohio

Active Member
Popeyesays said:
I do't think the painting shows night-time, but rather the darkness that was reported - in the middle of the afternoon = after Christ expired.

Interestingly enough (to me anyway) was the similar darkness in the middle of the day when the Bab was executed in the barracks square of Tabriz. A huge storm rolled in right after they cut down the body of the Bab, and enveloped the men who pitched the corpse into the old moat around the city. The darkness continued until dawn the next day which allowed the faithful Babi's to retrieve the body and hide it successfully.

It was actually TWO corpses that were retrieved, because the Bab and one of His followers were tied together on a rope and exposed to the fire from 600+ muskets. The bodies were so badly damaged that they could not be taken apart - though both faces were hardly touched by bullets. This is shown in a pencil sketch made by the order of the Russian ambassador to Persia at the time. The sketch is not displayed publicly, but resides in the Archives building at the Baha`i World Center in Haifa.

Regards,
Scott

Okay... this may sound naive of me, but bear in mind I haven't attended a church service in about 15 years... but I don't remember anything about a darkness after the crucifiction... can you quote any of that? Or anyone else who reads this post?

I've never heard the story of Bab either... I don't think anyways... although it sounds very interesting... I'm going to look up the crucifiction picture that I'm talking about and see if they have any better reference material on it as well, since that was something I had never heard of :D Thanks for the reference Scott :)
 

bunny1ohio

Active Member
Wahaaaa!.... I found the reference I was looking for.... between the sixth and ninth hours after the crucifiction there was a strange darkness that covered the land?... I think that's the right one :eek:
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Hi, Bunny!

You can read the story of the Bab (among other things) at the www.bahai-library.org web site; His martyrdom and its aftermath are recounted in a book titled The Dawn-Breakers, by Nabil.

And please notice the dual-stations discussion in the overview I sent you! I think it will help tremendously to clarify how and why Divine Messengers such as Christ have both human and divine aspects, and how you can be seeing either one at any given time....

And as I trust you've noticed, you can also ask questions of this sort and about the Baha'i Faith of Scott/Popeye and Booko, who are also Baha'i.

Best regards, :)

Bruce
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
I reeeeally liked the Da Vinci Code. It was thoughtful, provocative, entertaining. (Sad to say that none of Dan Brown's other novels measure up.) But I never thought of it as more than thoughtful, provocative, entertaining fiction and am surprised by the reaction is has received, both for and against.

But I guess the heart of the battle is the question of how "human" Jesus was. Since I already think of him as human, the idea of him being married, while admittedly unfounded speculation, doesn't seem all that earth-shattering to me.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
bunny1ohio said:
Really? I had never even heard of the book until I heard about it on the news how the church was up in arms over it and rebuking it as a fraud. But, then again I'm not so much into scanning through book reviews or new releases.... I had just not heard of it before that.... Although I did hear about Holy Blood Holy Grail.... I think that one is quite a bit older than the DaVinci Code though... which one did you mean? :eek:

I heard about it in many circles...library (natch), garden club, friends, people in the grocery store line, you name it.

I heard about Holy Blood Holy Grail in the mid-to-late 80s when the topic came up on a bbs I was on at the time. Despite the contents, I never heard anyone in the Church say anything about it. But then, it wasn't a runaway best seller either.

Again very true.... which is another one I don't understand.... I mean I know they were upset about them portraying Christ as a "normal" man with the whole family thing etc.... but why be upset when the movie says he turned those things down and the whole movie was basically the last temptation thrown to him by S-you-know-who and he refused it.... it made a LOT of sense to me.

Well, depending on how you read it, and in certain times and areas in Christianity, they've had an unusual view of sex, even within the bounds of marriage, like its unclean or something. "Conceived in sin" and all that. I pretty much ignored that all my life, since it didn't show up in the red letters in my Bible, which is what I gave first precedence.

As for TLTOC, there were all sorts of crazy rumours going around before the movie even came out, usually originating from people who never saw the film.

As it turns out, a whole gaggle of us from this bbs (Illuminet bbs in Atlanta) went out an saw the movie together. We had heathens, atheists, Christians (Prot and RCC both), Jews, and Baha'is show up to see the film. My husband, with his background in the RCC, was at least able to pick out the heavily Catholic (either Roman or Orthodox) symbology for those of us from other backgrounds, which was somewhat illuminating. I mean, I was raised a Prot, and "sacred heart of Jesus" was not something that ever came up in my church. But anyway, the general conclusion was that the things that were being complained about beforehand weren't even in the film, and that it was very "artsy fartsy" and would have bombed at the box office if certain Christian leaders hadn't brought it to everyone's attention with all the fuss.

The situtation of Da Vinci Code seems to be very different.

But then.... Christ as a normal mortal man makes a lot more sense to me than a divine one... but that's back to my personal beliefs, so I'll leave that alone :D

I view Christ as both a normal mortal man and something much much more than that. Unlike the rest of us, He was preexistent. He had his feet in the world of the divine in a way we don't and never will.

But I know that all of these things are beliefs and are never going to be something anyone can prove, so if others believe other things, they have their good reasons, and I just don't get my knickers in a twist over it, I guess. :)
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
lilithu said:
But I guess the heart of the battle is the question of how "human" Jesus was. Since I already think of him as human, the idea of him being married, while admittedly unfounded speculation, doesn't seem all that earth-shattering to me.

I'm usually a little suprised at the reactions of some people when the subject of Jesus being human comes up. I mean, there was a group of Christains who didn't think he was human, and they were branded heretics.

I can understand Christian objections to a portrayal of Jesus as "just a human" though. I don't so much "object" to it as disagree with it.

Still, for those Christians who are offended by the idea that maybe Jesus was "just a human," they should keep in mind that they frequently do the same to the Founders of other religions. So, Golden Rule and all that.

Fortunately, it's not so common a problem.
 

jazzalta

Member
This whole Da Vinci thing is so over-rated. Imagine one fictional book in contest with another fictional book. It think we all need to think outside the box once in a while. Do some research and validate your religion. That process changed my life.
 

maggie2

Active Member
Hey, Jazzalta,

I'd be interested in knowing more about how research changed your views. I think your story sounds like it would be very interesting.
 

spacemonkey

Pneumatic Spiritualist
bunny1ohio said:
Okay... this may sound naive of me, but bear in mind I haven't attended a church service in about 15 years... but I don't remember anything about a darkness after the crucifiction... can you quote any of that? Or anyone else who reads this post?

I've never heard the story of Bab either... I don't think anyways... although it sounds very interesting... I'm going to look up the crucifiction picture that I'm talking about and see if they have any better reference material on it as well, since that was something I had never heard of :D Thanks for the reference Scott :)
The image you are refering to is station xiv of the stations of the cross at Rennes-le-Chateau. It was a priest there who, while renovating the church, alledgely came across the Dossiers Secrets hidden in a Visigoth pillar. The Dossiers are the documents that trace back the bloodline for those of you who don't know. Shortly after his discovery, the priest Berenger Sauniere (last name look familier?),is first called to the Vatican for a meeting and mysteriously becomes incredably wealthy. Some allege the he blackmails the Vatican, but no matter how it happens, Sauniere had more then enough money to renovate his church. It was he who had the image of station xiv shown at night time, contradicting the standard doctraine, leading many to wonder if Sauniere was implying that Jesus was being removed from the tomb. It is also worth noting that Sauniere erected a statue of the demon Asmodeus - custodian of secrets and guardian of hidden treasures, immediately inside the entrance to the church. According to ancient Jewish legend, Solomon invoked Asmodeus to aid in the construction of The Temple. Station XIV isn't the only one of with a secret either. Station XIII has a child swathed in a Scottish plaid.
 
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