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Daily Reflections

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Feel free to post your own. :)

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Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the promise of a divine reward then, brother, that person is a piece of sh**." - Detective Rustin Cohle, True Detective.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This one will be different from the others.

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He is so wrong.
Atheists needn't know anything to disbelieve in gods.

Proof that I'm right:
Despite his beliefs, Carl Sagan is dead.
Despite my beliefs, I'm still alive & revolting!
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
This one will be different from the others.

th


He is so wrong.
Atheists needn't know anything to disbelieve in gods.

Proof that I'm right:
Despite his beliefs, Carl Sagan is dead.
Despite my beliefs, I'm still alive & revolting!

lol I ran across that quote recently too, and I was taken aback that it came from Carl Sagan. Atheism isn’t an authoritative position on whether a god exists or not, it’s merely a lack of belief in the supernatural/a deity. For me personally, I’m open minded to the idea of a ‘Creator’ but as far as it being anything remotely intimated by the thousands of ‘religions’ out there, no…I don’t believe in those ideas. And I don’t ‘need’ to know anymore, which brings relief and peace.
 

lovemuffin

τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
It is likely the quote is out of context, but I would suggest Sagan is talking about very strong claims to knowledge about the non-existence of gods. That's what he means by "some definitions". He's trying to suggest a certain level of epistemic humility. As in the distinction between an atheism that withholds assent to the proposition that "at least one god exists" and one that makes the positive claim "no gods exist". Sagan was clearly an atheist in the first sense (he does not believe) but thinks the second is problematic (the claim to absolute knowledge)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
lol I ran across that quote recently too, and I was taken aback that it came from Carl Sagan. Atheism isn’t an authoritative position on whether a god exists or not, it’s merely a lack of belief in the supernatural/a deity. For me personally, I’m open minded to the idea of a ‘Creator’ but as far as it being anything remotely intimated by the thousands of ‘religions’ out there, no…I don’t believe in those ideas. And I don’t ‘need’ to know anymore, which brings relief and peace.
It seems that Sagan focused upon that rarest of atheists....the strong atheist.
Those of us who disbelieve in gods because there's no evidence/proof will
typically notice that there's no evidence/proof that gods cannot exist.
Ya just can't be certain of such stuff.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
It is likely the quote is out of context, but I would suggest Sagan is talking about very strong claims to knowledge about the non-existence of gods. That's what he means by "some definitions". He's trying to suggest a certain level of epistemic humility. As in the distinction between an atheism that withholds assent to the proposition that "at least one god exists" and one that makes the positive claim "no gods exist". Sagan was clearly an atheist in the first sense (he does not believe) but thinks the second is problematic (the claim to absolute knowledge)

That’s excellent—thanks, well named.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It is likely the quote is out of context, but I would suggest Sagan is talking about very strong claims to knowledge about the non-existence of gods. That's what he means by "some definitions". He's trying to suggest a certain level of epistemic humility. As in the distinction between an atheism that withholds assent to the proposition that "at least one god exists" and one that makes the positive claim "no gods exist". Sagan was clearly an atheist in the first sense (he does not believe) but thinks the second is problematic (the claim to absolute knowledge)
I don't even know if it's accurate to attribute that quote to him.
It's just something I found on the internet.
 
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