Damaging art for the sake of the climate ?

[Subduction Zone]

You keep wishing to deflect our discussion. It has absolutely nothing to do with the question of punishment* and everything to do with your ad hominem attack on protesters "merely acting like overgrown children."

*FWIW: when arrested I/we entered a plea of nolo contendere.

That was an observation, not an ad hom. That is how they are acting. I should get some pictures, but I would have to get out of bed and do some searching.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Do you consider this an acceptable form of protest?

When I saw that on the news, I didn't object then and still don't. No harm was done, and it attracted attention. We're discussing it here now because of that. I consider climate change the central issue of the next several decades if not centuries - not falling democracies and creeping fascism, not strategic nukes, not pandemics, not inflation - and just about anything that mitigates climate change or has a chance to is OK with me.

Trump throwing ketchup at the wallpaper in the White House also didn't bother me, and his is a cause I don't support.

Nor did the BLM riots, at least not in the way it bothers the right. I was only bothered that they felt that they had to resort to violence to be heard, not that they did. Justice, or let the city burn. I understand that most Americans don't feel this way, but that doesn't change how I feel. If you poke a bear and it attacks you, that's on you.

Who remembers people throwing blood at women in fur coats as a form of protest? That didn't bother me, either. You don't see too many of those coats around anymore.

 

[Quintessence]

If anything, more of this was needed fifty years ago - when there was still time to mitigate the problem. We're already locked in to a tumultuous future, climate-wise. Some things are very much going in a good direction - doomsday scenarios look far less plausible than they did a decade ago - but humanity has failed to prevent disruptive, self-induced climate change.

 

[Nakosis]

In various European countries, climate activists stick themselves to classical paintings with superglue and/or throw liquid food at the pictures. According to the news, the paintings allegedly remain intact because they are mostly displayed under glass. Climate activists justify their acts with the intention to draw attention to the problem of global warming. Do you consider this an acceptable form of protest?

Climate activists face 12,000 euros in damages to Raphael's Sistine Madonna

Climate Protester Glues His Head to ‘Girl With a Pearl Earring’ Painting

Ah, actually glued their head.
Protester glues his head to 'Girl with a Pearl Earring'

Couldn't get past a pay wall.

IDK, I'd fully glue them to the wall and call it a work of art.

Is gluing yourself to a work of art going to accomplish anything? I doubt it .
Maybe it feeds their ego a bit.
I mean if people haven't gotten the message by now, a little self gluing isn't going to change that.
I mean it's not like they are doing a Thích Quảng Đức.

 

[ChristineM]

It is definitely to grab attention. The ones I've heard speak have said that it isn't about being liked or popular - they managed to get the words Just Stop Oil into the heads of hundreds of millions of people in the past couple of weeks. Which isn't that stupid if you think about it.

Every honest person who has publicly said they agree with the cause but think the tactics misguided now has to deal with the fact that if they really agree with the cause they have to do something. There's a phenomenon called the radical flank effect that is now getting a lot of attention.

There's also something extremely provocative about creating outrage in people regarding our collective heritage - the beautiful things left for our collective enrichment. Isn't the natural world an extraordinary masterpiece being irreparably damaged?

And it's still a stupid stunt designed to grab attention. Yes it works but uselessly, it eill have no impact in the scheme of things and to me acting like a spoiled child spoils the whole effect

 

[Ponder This]

In various European countries, climate activists stick themselves to classical paintings with superglue and/or throw liquid food at the pictures. According to the news, the paintings allegedly remain intact because they are mostly displayed under glass. Climate activists justify their acts with the intention to draw attention to the problem of global warming. Do you consider this an acceptable form of protest?

Climate activists face 12,000 euros in damages to Raphael's Sistine Madonna

Climate Protester Glues His Head to ‘Girl With a Pearl Earring’ Painting

They have done harm to the cause of climate activism.

What they did wasn't a protest. What they did was use climate activism as an excuse to do evil. They schemed about what horrible thing they could do in the name of climate activism and then set out to do that thing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They have done harm to the cause of climate activism.

What they did wasn't a protest. What they did was use climate activism as an excuse to do evil. They schemed about what horrible thing they could do in the name of climate activism and then set out to do that thing.

Look how serious they are:

They did not even use the right soup. Campbells girls, Campbells.

 

[Yerda]

They did not even use the right soup. Campbells girls, Campbells.

Should've done an Andy Warhol with a can of Campbell's. Missed a trick.

And it's still a stupid stunt designed to grab attention. Yes it works but uselessly, it eill have no impact in the scheme of things and to me acting like a spoiled child spoils the whole effect

Yes, the point was to get attention.

 

[ChristineM]

Should've done an Andy Warhol with a can of Campbell's. Missed a trick.

Yes, the point was to get attention.

They are doing that for sure, not sure what they get out of it, oil is here until it becomes unprofitable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They are doing that for sure, not sure what they get out of it, oil is here until it becomes unprofitable.

And that is how change will be made. Right now solar and wind are the two cheapest sources of energy. So why aren't they more pop? Infrastructure. It takes time and money to build new plants. Oil, natural gas, and even coal plants are still running because they have not been replaced yet.

 

[ChristineM]

And that is how change will be made. Right now solar and wind are the two cheapest sources of energy. So why aren't they more pop? Infrastructure. It takes time and money to build new plants. Oil, natural gas, and even coal plants are still running because they have not been replaced yet.

They are uneconomical to replace

 

[Subduction Zone]

They are uneconomical to replace

Yes. A slow change to renewable will be made. The question is will the change be quick enough?

 

[ChristineM]

Yes. A slow change to renewable will be made. The question is will the change be quick enough?

I hope so, but its going to be a close thing. Too many are makeing bucket loads of money out of fossil fuels. And these people are going to fight to their dying breath to keep their lifestyle

 

[Subduction Zone]

I hope so, but its going to be a close thing. Too many are makeing bucket loads of money out of fossil fuels. And these people are going to fight to their dying breath to keep their lifestyle

And too many buy their lies because they are afraid of change. I have seen people deriding electric cars when they should know that if you have two cars of equal price that the electric one will far out perform the one with an ICE. Some day kids will hear the Vroom Vroom of a large V-8 and think "How quaint".
My brother had a very hot Corvette (until a Texan driving a pickup truck decided otherwise0 had the inside lane at a corner where two left lanes turned and realized that he had to get over into the right lane. He figured no problem. I will just zip ahead of this poky sedan next to me and pull off in front of it. I won't even slow it down. He was shocked when instead he got passed by the sedan on the outside corner (usually slower since it has further to go). Turns out it was a Tesla. He had the advantage and still got embarrassed. And the driver was probably not even trying.

 

[gnomon]

In various European countries, climate activists stick themselves to classical paintings with superglue and/or throw liquid food at the pictures. According to the news, the paintings allegedly remain intact because they are mostly displayed under glass. Climate activists justify their acts with the intention to draw attention to the problem of global warming. Do you consider this an acceptable form of protest?

Climate activists face 12,000 euros in damages to Raphael's Sistine Madonna

Climate Protester Glues His Head to ‘Girl With a Pearl Earring’ Painting

Acceptable? Perhaps. Useful? Not in the least.

It's garbage.