Danger of Civil War or Civil Unrest on the horizon?

[Twilight Hue]

Millions of Armed Americans Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024

If armed violence erupts in 2024, the fate of the nation might well be decided by a simple fact: a big subset of the Republican Party has been systemically arming itself for this very reason.

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I personally think civil unrest will occur in places and people will be hurt or killed. I dont see a full blown war at least not yet. A proper war would require a substantial military or militia and tons of logistical preparation and established communications which to my knowledge simply isn't there.

I think something is going to happen soon, but it's just a feeling I have over it.

What's your assessment and or feelings for the future since Trumps indictment?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Millions of Armed Americans Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024

If armed violence erupts in 2024, the fate of the nation might well be decided by a simple fact: a big subset of the Republican Party has been systemically arming itself for this very reason.

www.newsweek.com

I personally think civil unrest will occur in places and people will be hurt or killed. I dont see a full blown war at least not yet. A proper war would require a substantial military or militia and tons of logistical preparation and established communications which to my knowledge simply isn't there.

I think something is going to happen soon, but it's just a feeling I have over it.

What's your assessment and or feelings for the future since Trumps indictment?

I'm sure I'll probably get challenged on this statement, but I wanted to say... I think things will be fine.

You are just feeling some worry about the world, which is natural. We all have our fears and doubts, but we also have our hopes and dreams. The world is not perfect, but I'd say it is not hopeless either.

 

[sun rise]

I agree with @Twilight Hue because we're already seeing arrests for serious threats and have incidents of violence. and we had January 6th. I just hope it does not get a lot worse.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Not civil war, but definitely more civil unrest. That's regardless of the election, though. There's a lot of anger over multiple things.

 

[fantome profane]

Millions of Armed Americans Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024

If armed violence erupts in 2024, the fate of the nation might well be decided by a simple fact: a big subset of the Republican Party has been systemically arming itself for this very reason.

www.newsweek.com

I personally think civil unrest will occur in places and people will be hurt or killed. I dont see a full blown war at least not yet. A proper war would require a substantial military or militia and tons of logistical preparation and established communications which to my knowledge simply isn't there.

I think something is going to happen soon, but it's just a feeling I have over it.

What's your assessment and or feelings for the future since Trumps indictment?

I have to ask, I am really curious. If there is a civil war, or even civil unrest, what side will you be on? Are you going to be out there throwing sticks of dynamite?

 

[Father Heathen]

We'll probably see some domestic terrorism, but not a war in the conventional sense.

 

[Windwalker]

We'll probably see some domestic terrorism, but not a war in the conventional sense.

They'll just blame in on Antifa and say it wasn't them.

 

[sun rise]

I have to ask, I am really curious. If there is a civil war, or even civil unrest, what side will you be on? Are you going to be out there throwing sticks of dynamite?

In the 60's we had a chant that clearly was designed to create a revolutionary fever and was accompanied by words like who was going to be "first against the wall when the revolution came".

1 2 3 4
we don't want your ****ing war
5 6 7 8
organize to smash the state

As to choosing a side, I've seen what happens when a group believes in overthrowing the current order, believes in the absolute value of their position and believes in imposing their vision on everyone. We get brutal dictatorships whether religious or secular. I'm against that.

 

[anna.]

I'm sure I'll probably get challenged on this statement, but I wanted to say... I think things will be fine.

You are just feeling some worry about the world, which is natural. We all have our fears and doubts, but we also have our hopes and dreams. The world is not perfect, but I'd say it is not hopeless either.

Just a few days ago, I was reading the experience of a veteran at his local Legion post. He said there's a diverse group of veterans, roughly half and half liberal and conservative but they generally avoid talking politics.

A young guy came in full of bluster about 'taking back America' and instigating a civil war if he had to, and the veteran finally had enough and said

"Kid, if you ever get your Civil War, it will last about 30 seconds. That's because the first time you see Jim-Bob standing next to you have his ****ing head turned into red mist by a .50 caliber sniper round fired from a distance of around 800 yards, you and the rest of your paintball militia will drop your guns, hop on your mopeds, and scamper back to mommy's basement."

I think a lot of online agitators are armchair warriors and after what happened to the Jan. 6 insurrectionists, they'll be a little more apprehensive about trying anything. But that's just an opinion, and I could be way off.

 

[Stevicus]

Millions of Armed Americans Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024

If armed violence erupts in 2024, the fate of the nation might well be decided by a simple fact: a big subset of the Republican Party has been systemically arming itself for this very reason.

www.newsweek.com

I personally think civil unrest will occur in places and people will be hurt or killed. I dont see a full blown war at least not yet. A proper war would require a substantial military or militia and tons of logistical preparation and established communications which to my knowledge simply isn't there.

I think something is going to happen soon, but it's just a feeling I have over it.

What's your assessment and or feelings for the future since Trumps indictment?

There could be unrest. What appears to be happening at present is a kind of procedural "cold war" of sorts, as different sides might engage in legal proceedings or pass laws in whatever jurisdiction they have a majority. Such as with Texas and Florida passing some rather anti-progressive legislation. Both sides will likely continue gaming the system however they can. This will likely tax the system's power and hobble it to a certain extent.

I don't think it will be outright lawbreaking, especially since a lot of Trump strongholds are in less densely-populated areas where the local and regional governments would all be on the same side, more or less. The larger cities are Democratic strongholds with few Republicans, so there should be a degree of geographical distance which might minimize the likelihood of random clashes or any spontaneous unrest. But there might still be covert acts of terrorism and/or sabotage, such as destruction of power stations, as has happened in the past.

It's hard to gauge what the military might do. If the military is a reflection of America's demographics and political views, then the military could conceivably be just as divided as America itself. They have a Constitutional duty to perform, and it would be their responsibility to defend against anyone who would make war against the United States. But I would expect that a lot of military personnel have friends and family members who are Trump fans, so if it ends up being a war of "brother against brother," how would it go?

 

[YmirGF]

We'll probably see some domestic terrorism, but not a war in the conventional sense.

Agreed, limited nuclear skirmishes. Nothing fancy. </kidding>

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have to ask, I am really curious. If there is a civil war, or even civil unrest, what side will you be on? Are you going to be out there throwing sticks of dynamite?

I certainly hope not! Good thing I don't have any dynamite to throw! *yikes*

Joking aside , I would ally with whomever sides with the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and recognizes the Geneva Convention. Sadly its also hard to tell any side to take, much less join a side should such a tragedy befall this country.

I'm not a fan of either party these days.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There could be unrest. What appears to be happening at present is a kind of procedural "cold war" of sorts, as different sides might engage in legal proceedings or pass laws in whatever jurisdiction they have a majority. Such as with Texas and Florida passing some rather anti-progressive legislation. Both sides will likely continue gaming the system however they can. This will likely tax the system's power and hobble it to a certain extent.

I don't think it will be outright lawbreaking, especially since a lot of Trump strongholds are in less densely-populated areas where the local and regional governments would all be on the same side, more or less. The larger cities are Democratic strongholds with few Republicans, so there should be a degree of geographical distance which might minimize the likelihood of random clashes or any spontaneous unrest. But there might still be covert acts of terrorism and/or sabotage, such as destruction of power stations, as has happened in the past.

It's hard to gauge what the military might do. If the military is a reflection of America's demographics and political views, then the military could conceivably be just as divided as America itself. They have a Constitutional duty to perform, and it would be their responsibility to defend against anyone who would make war against the United States. But I would expect that a lot of military personnel have friends and family members who are Trump fans, so if it ends up being a war of "brother against brother," how would it go?

I think to answer that question is to listen to the many diaries of soldiers from the last civil war.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not civil war, but definitely more civil unrest. That's regardless of the election, though. There's a lot of anger over multiple things.

Realistically I think that is the most likely scenario atm.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm sure I'll probably get challenged on this statement, but I wanted to say... I think things will be fine.

You are just feeling some worry about the world, which is natural. We all have our fears and doubts, but we also have our hopes and dreams. The world is not perfect, but I'd say it is not hopeless either.

Being aware of the possibilities could certainly help with foresight and avoid real trouble.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just a few days ago, I was reading the experience of a veteran at his local Legion post. He said there's a diverse group of veterans, roughly half and half liberal and conservative but they generally avoid talking politics.

A young guy came in full of bluster about 'taking back America' and instigating a civil war if he had to, and the veteran finally had enough and said

"Kid, if you ever get your Civil War, it will last about 30 seconds. That's because the first time you see Jim-Bob standing next to you have his ****ing head turned into red mist by a .50 caliber sniper round fired from a distance of around 800 yards, you and the rest of your paintball militia will drop your guns, hop on your mopeds, and scamper back to mommy's basement."

I think a lot of online agitators are armchair warriors and after what happened to the Jan. 6 insurrectionists, they'll be a little more apprehensive about trying anything. But that's just an opinion, and I could be way off.

We saw that at the Capitol. If you remember there was a time when an armed mob was breaking into an area that needed to be defended. When the first insurrectionist that was "unarmed" (why can't Trupettes figure out that if they are part of an armed mob that they are in fact "armed" too) was shot they quickly halted their attack and were ready to retreat. The VFW guy was very correct. A few insurrections would die, the rest would run and hide.

 

[anna.]

We saw that at the Capitol. If you remember there was a time when an armed mob was breaking into an area that needed to be defended. When the first insurrectionist that was "unarmed" (why can't Trupettes figure out that if they are part of an armed mob that they are in fact "armed" too) was shot they quickly halted their attack and were ready to retreat. The VFW guy was very correct. A few insurrections would die, the rest would run and hide.

I remember that very well. Potemkin Patriots.

 

[Stevicus]

I think to answer that question is to listen to the many diaries of soldiers from the last civil war.

Yeah, some pretty sad stories.

A key difference in the last Civil War was that it was mainly fought without much outside interference. Britain and France opted not to support the Confederacy. However, there are outside powers which have a greater stake in what happens to America than was the case in the Civil War.

 

[sun rise]

Just a few days ago, I was reading the experience of a veteran at his local Legion post. He said there's a diverse group of veterans, roughly half and half liberal and conservative but they generally avoid talking politics.

A young guy came in full of bluster about 'taking back America' and instigating a civil war if he had to, and the veteran finally had enough and said

"Kid, if you ever get your Civil War, it will last about 30 seconds. That's because the first time you see Jim-Bob standing next to you have his ****ing head turned into red mist by a .50 caliber sniper round fired from a distance of around 800 yards, you and the rest of your paintball militia will drop your guns, hop on your mopeds, and scamper back to mommy's basement."

I think a lot of online agitators are armchair warriors and after what happened to the Jan. 6 insurrectionists, they'll be a little more apprehensive about trying anything. But that's just an opinion, and I could be way off.

That makes sense. Knowing what happened to their Jan 6th buddies and now even their hero is in multiple legal trouble would tend to discourage a lot of action beyond chest pounding

 

[anna.]

That makes sense. Knowing what happened to their Jan 6th buddies and now even their hero is in multiple legal trouble would tend to discourage a lot of action beyond chest pounding

Particularly for those who hadn't planned on anything beyond chest pounding.