I think that if humans are so afraid of being knocked off their little pedestal, they might want to look long and hard at what it is they think they are standing on in the first place.
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Dangers of AI
- Thread starter Jake1001
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We will all be assimilated!
I suppose it could be bad in the sense that a lot more jobs in the future will be technologically replaced. That's already been happening. I don't know if that makes AI a "threat," in and of itself, but it could create wider gaps between those who possess and have access to technology and the remainder of the population which may be made redundant by robots doing the work of human beings. That's not because of AI, though. It's only what humans choose to do with it. Humans will always be the real threat.
And if AI surpasses humans and becomes smarter than us, why would that be a bad thing?
What if all functions which are necessary for human survival could be done by machine - and humans could be relieved of the burden of endless drudgery of working long hours for their daily bread? It wouldn't mean that humans would be idle. We could still paint, compose poetry, write songs, explore the galaxy in a starship - things like that. But nobody would have to do any actual work, and people could just enjoy a life of leisure and comfort regardless of their station in life.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I was thinking in similar fashion earlier today. I was listening to an audiobook by Dalai Lama. And during that time, I was thinking about this thread and realized the same as you did. Without suffering, there won't be any pleasure. Without suffering or pleasure, there's no real drive or want to do anything, the will, in a sense. Suffering is an integral part of being alive.
Oh, the reason I thought about it was that I contemplated where intelligence kind'a came from or evolved. It came about as a necessity for animals not just hunting or catching pray, but more-so the animals that needed to escape and hide from the predators, i.e. a form of suffering and fearing. The mammals came from a small ratlike creature during the time of the dinosaurs (if I recall correctly). A little animals that had to hide from being eaten. The T-Rex didn't develop a big, advanced, intelligent brain, but the opposite, it was fairly small and simple.
So what I'm saying is, suffering might be a very important part of developing an AI.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Absolutely. And even multiple types of AI within a society. We have self-driving cars with AI. Airplanes with a different kind. And so on. And there might come to some form of Artificial War (AW?) where humans are just a nuisance and wasteful annoyance in between to be squished.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I think the reversed will happen.
We are already assimilating technology into our bodies. Augmenting the human body is the path we're on.
I don't consider any current technology to be AI....just a primitive precursor.
shawn001
Well-Known Member
I will be working with a new AI or Cognitive computer company here soon I will post some info about it.
You might also be interested in this which is related.
Dr. Peter H. Diamandis — Intelligent Self-directed Evolution
"Global Future 2045: Towards a New Strategy for Human Evolution /
New York City, 2013 GF2045 - Future Human Evolution Uses Advanced Technology to Achieve Immortality
Dr. Peter H Diamandis
Abundance Engineer
Physician, entrepreneur, founder and chairman of the X PRIZE Foundation. Author of Abundance.
Intelligent Self-directed Evolution Drives Mankind's Metamorphosis into an Immortal Planetary Meta-intelligence
We are extraordinarily fortunate to be alive on this planet during a period of unprecedented, exponentially accelerating, self-directed evolutionary change. We humans have begun to incorporate technology inside ourselves. Humans themselves are becoming an information technology. Over the last decades mankind has suddenly started changing from a loose collection of 7 billion individuals to a new kind of perpetually morphing non-physical social tissue woven from densely interconnected arrays of mobile person-nodes.
In this process we—humanity—are becoming a new organism: a meta-intelligence. As a species, as this new organism, we are becoming conscious on an unprecedented new level, in a new cosmic-scale realm.
As we are going through the metamorphosis process of becoming this new meta-intelligence organism, we are going from evolution by natural selection—Darwinism—to evolution by intelligent direction. We are starting to direct the evolution of our biology and of our minds ourselves. Before long, this will result in our minds becoming independent from their original biological substrate—the biological human brain—the evolution speed of which has become far too slow to keep up with our exponentially increasing pace of innovation and invention. As we begin to liberate our thoughts, our memes, our consciousness from the biological constraints that we presently have, this will allow us to evolve far faster and ever faster.
Beyond the great personal benefit of immortality, the species-level benefits of making our minds and bodies substrate-independent and non-biological include becoming a truly spacefaring species thanks to gaining the ability to travel near the speed of light while also remaining alive for far longer than the currently normal human lifespan. This will free us from the shackles of Earthly gravity and enable us to go explore and populate our solar system, our galaxy, our universe and what may be an infinite number of universes.
Persons are now empowered more than ever before. As an individual I can now already tap into 'global genius' anywhere in the world. This trend is accelerating at an exponential rate and will result in us—jointly and severally—to become quite god-like with 'life-everlasting'. We will no longer have to die a physical death, enabling who we are—our mission, our purpose, our consciousness—to continue for a far longer time.
When we—mankind—will become fully conscious and self-aware as a planetary-scale meta-intelligence ourselves, we will be able to look out into the universe in new ways, with new kinds of 'eyes', and see thousands or millions or billions of similar conscious planet-level entities that have come into being all around us in our galaxy and the myriad galaxies beyond our own.
That all of this is happening during our lifetimes is powerfully extraordinary. That makes it so exciting to be alive right now.
BIOGRAPHY
In the field of Innovation, Diamandis is Chairman and CEO of the X PRIZE Foundation, best known for its $10 million Ansari X PRIZE for private spaceflight. Today the X PRIZE leads the world in designing and operating large-scale global competitions to solve market failures. He is also the Co-Founder and Executive Chairman of Singularity University, a graduate-level Silicon Valley institution that studies exponentially growing technologies, their ability to transform industries and solve humanity’s grand challenges.
In the field of commercial space, Diamandis is Co-Founder/Co-Chairman of Planetary Resources, a company designing spacecraft to enable the detection and mining of asteroid for precious materials. He is the also Co-Founder and Vice Chairman of Space Adventures, the only company to have brokered the launches of private citizens to the International Space Station, and co-Founder, past-CEO of Zero Gravity Corporation providing weightless parabolic flights.
He earned an undergraduate degree in Molecular Genetics and a graduate degree in Aerospace Engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and received his M.D. from Harvard Medical School.
He has won multiple awards, including the first Heinlein Laureate, the 2010 Economist “No Boundaries” Innovator of the Year Award, the 2007 Arthur C. Clarke Award, the 2006 Lindbergh Award, the 2006 Neil Armstrong Award and first place in the Estes rocket design contest when he was an 8th grader.
Diamandis’ mission is to open the space frontier for humanity.
His personal motto is: “The best way to predict the future is to create it yourself.”
You might also be interested in this which is related.
Dr. Peter H. Diamandis — Intelligent Self-directed Evolution
"Global Future 2045: Towards a New Strategy for Human Evolution /
New York City, 2013 GF2045 - Future Human Evolution Uses Advanced Technology to Achieve Immortality
Dr. Peter H Diamandis
Abundance Engineer
Physician, entrepreneur, founder and chairman of the X PRIZE Foundation. Author of Abundance.
Intelligent Self-directed Evolution Drives Mankind's Metamorphosis into an Immortal Planetary Meta-intelligence
We are extraordinarily fortunate to be alive on this planet during a period of unprecedented, exponentially accelerating, self-directed evolutionary change. We humans have begun to incorporate technology inside ourselves. Humans themselves are becoming an information technology. Over the last decades mankind has suddenly started changing from a loose collection of 7 billion individuals to a new kind of perpetually morphing non-physical social tissue woven from densely interconnected arrays of mobile person-nodes.
In this process we—humanity—are becoming a new organism: a meta-intelligence. As a species, as this new organism, we are becoming conscious on an unprecedented new level, in a new cosmic-scale realm.
As we are going through the metamorphosis process of becoming this new meta-intelligence organism, we are going from evolution by natural selection—Darwinism—to evolution by intelligent direction. We are starting to direct the evolution of our biology and of our minds ourselves. Before long, this will result in our minds becoming independent from their original biological substrate—the biological human brain—the evolution speed of which has become far too slow to keep up with our exponentially increasing pace of innovation and invention. As we begin to liberate our thoughts, our memes, our consciousness from the biological constraints that we presently have, this will allow us to evolve far faster and ever faster.
Beyond the great personal benefit of immortality, the species-level benefits of making our minds and bodies substrate-independent and non-biological include becoming a truly spacefaring species thanks to gaining the ability to travel near the speed of light while also remaining alive for far longer than the currently normal human lifespan. This will free us from the shackles of Earthly gravity and enable us to go explore and populate our solar system, our galaxy, our universe and what may be an infinite number of universes.
Persons are now empowered more than ever before. As an individual I can now already tap into 'global genius' anywhere in the world. This trend is accelerating at an exponential rate and will result in us—jointly and severally—to become quite god-like with 'life-everlasting'. We will no longer have to die a physical death, enabling who we are—our mission, our purpose, our consciousness—to continue for a far longer time.
When we—mankind—will become fully conscious and self-aware as a planetary-scale meta-intelligence ourselves, we will be able to look out into the universe in new ways, with new kinds of 'eyes', and see thousands or millions or billions of similar conscious planet-level entities that have come into being all around us in our galaxy and the myriad galaxies beyond our own.
That all of this is happening during our lifetimes is powerfully extraordinary. That makes it so exciting to be alive right now.
BIOGRAPHY
In the field of Innovation, Diamandis is Chairman and CEO of the X PRIZE Foundation, best known for its $10 million Ansari X PRIZE for private spaceflight. Today the X PRIZE leads the world in designing and operating large-scale global competitions to solve market failures. He is also the Co-Founder and Executive Chairman of Singularity University, a graduate-level Silicon Valley institution that studies exponentially growing technologies, their ability to transform industries and solve humanity’s grand challenges.
In the field of commercial space, Diamandis is Co-Founder/Co-Chairman of Planetary Resources, a company designing spacecraft to enable the detection and mining of asteroid for precious materials. He is the also Co-Founder and Vice Chairman of Space Adventures, the only company to have brokered the launches of private citizens to the International Space Station, and co-Founder, past-CEO of Zero Gravity Corporation providing weightless parabolic flights.
He earned an undergraduate degree in Molecular Genetics and a graduate degree in Aerospace Engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and received his M.D. from Harvard Medical School.
He has won multiple awards, including the first Heinlein Laureate, the 2010 Economist “No Boundaries” Innovator of the Year Award, the 2007 Arthur C. Clarke Award, the 2006 Lindbergh Award, the 2006 Neil Armstrong Award and first place in the Estes rocket design contest when he was an 8th grader.
Diamandis’ mission is to open the space frontier for humanity.
His personal motto is: “The best way to predict the future is to create it yourself.”
Very nice counterpoint to the cautionary perspective in the OP. Thnx.
serp777
Well-Known Member
Here you are, once again, spouting the same old assertions. AI must be impossible because neuroscience. Okay, impeccable argument. I get so tired of people making assertions again and again when you have no evidence and no authority to claim whether AI is possible or not.
To know AI isn't gonna happen, you'd have to know the full extent what is possible with computer programming, and you'd have to know that we couldn't genetically engineer a specialized brain which had multiple computer interfaces. It simply reflects lack of imagination on this subject. Id bet 10 bucks there will be an ad hominem attack in response.
MD
qualiaphile
[1405.0126] Is Consciousness Computable? Quantifying Integrated Information Using Algorithmic Information Theory
"We prove that complete lossless integration requires noncomputable functions. This result implies that if unitary consciousness exists, it cannot be modelled computationally"
Without consciousness, you cannot have volition and awareness.
"We prove that complete lossless integration requires noncomputable functions. This result implies that if unitary consciousness exists, it cannot be modelled computationally"
Without consciousness, you cannot have volition and awareness.
Cool abstract, although our consciousness does not seem to be lossless. Mine seems to be lossy. New memories damage old ones, and I have to keep re-learning old information.
Theweirdtophat
Well-Known Member
Why do they assume they will be violent? Maybe they'd just head out on their own, at least some machines would. Most people don't do violent things so maybe machines would just do things and live their lives in peace, unless provoked.
shawn001
Well-Known Member
shawn001
Well-Known Member
This is part of a project I am working on. I will come back with more information on it.
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About Value Spring Technology, Inc.
Value Spring Technology, a developer of leading-edge cognitive computing data analytics solutions, solves the
key data issues confronting large enterprises today in a way that enables companies and individuals to make
better business decisions, more quickly and easily, based on the meaning of the data itself. ValueSpring’s
eMind uses artificial intelligence, computational linguistics and cognitive processing to integrate all types of
data into intelligent information, ensuring cross-enterprise data consistency, and then, utilizing automated
processes, transforms that intelligent data into knowledge, which can be queried using natural language.
The goal of my project and working with an AI computer with it.
EIS Partners with eMind | Enterprise In Space
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But
"
About Value Spring Technology, Inc.
Value Spring Technology, a developer of leading-edge cognitive computing data analytics solutions, solves the
key data issues confronting large enterprises today in a way that enables companies and individuals to make
better business decisions, more quickly and easily, based on the meaning of the data itself. ValueSpring’s
eMind uses artificial intelligence, computational linguistics and cognitive processing to integrate all types of
data into intelligent information, ensuring cross-enterprise data consistency, and then, utilizing automated
processes, transforms that intelligent data into knowledge, which can be queried using natural language.
The goal of my project and working with an AI computer with it.
EIS Partners with eMind | Enterprise In Space
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Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I agree with you. The virtualization or emulations we do today are very simple. But it will get more advanced. And it will start with the self-driving cars (I believe)...
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Just FYI as this is new
NASA Langley Autonomy Incubator Leading the Push for Intelligent Machines
"A group of researchers at the center is taking purposeful strides to, as group leader Danette Allen puts it, "imbue machines with the kind of intelligence that we expect from human beings."
NASA Langley Autonomy Incubator Leading the Push for Intelligent Machines
"A group of researchers at the center is taking purposeful strides to, as group leader Danette Allen puts it, "imbue machines with the kind of intelligence that we expect from human beings."
Are you Shawn Case ?