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Dangers of emptiness/anatta?

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ametist,

The OP asked if it is all the way pleasant and my answer is 'no' because losing your self and discovering that interdependence beyond philosophical level is no easy play.
hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kindly recall: 'when did that 'self' begin??
If one can reach to that starting point of that identity of the 'self'; it will be putting the clock back to the point of realisation that it was just an illusion.
Pleasantness or unpleasantness are what the mind decides and so non-permanent and remains till the 'self' exists.

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ametist,

When you can see where the 'look' is from; what's holding to move to that position, friend??

Love & rgds
 

ametist

Active Member
Nothing.
But you are expecting the other to do it instead of yourself and this isnt quite possible. When there is that askin the distance is obvious and you wont recognize the move.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ametist,

But you are expecting the other to do it instead of yourself and this isnt quite possible. When there is that askin the distance is obvious and you wont recognize the move.
sorry, was not asking as it is known and understood that there is no move.
It is just an understanding as it is already there in every individual form; rather the whole universe is THAT except that the individual MIND sees things differently as the glasses they wear.

Love & rgds
 

ametist

Active Member
I think I will be deviating from OP concern and I think I already said all that I can about it.
I hope to see you in another thread where need for monastry life discussed and if nondualist experience is permanant and practical in daily life is argued.
 
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zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,

Personal understanding this that when the OP wishes to know about the dangers of 'anatta'; it is pointed that till the experience is restricted within that space where 'thoughts' abound which is labelled the 'mind' then that very mind perceives in duality and so dangers too could be perceived; however transcending that very mind is why we are here to discuss dharma or the process of transcendence of the mind.

It is also pointed that once transcended duality too starts fading in as much as the space where 'thoughts' starts disappearing and one faces 'reality/truth/life' face to face.
This stage to some friends may appear to be 'monastic' as it is non-dualistic and since the trained mind of yore is not used to such scenario it takes it to be different to normal everyday life.

Friends, life of which humans [we] are a part is evolving and so is the 'mind' and LIFE being 'ONE' or non-dual every thought arising in the mind gives us an opportunity to transcend that MIND by brining consciousness to the thought which is used to processing it all its life through a prism and use this very moment to reflect the 'gestalt' and realise that LIFE is ONE [non-dual] and so there is no difference between how one lives to be part of that beginingless, endless life itself.

The above is a personal understanding as practise and may not confirm to any known tradition.

Love & rgds
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
Alright so this might appear to be a weird question but I tend to think about weird things. I know the Buddha promises happiness, peace, and fulfillment for those who understand emptiness/anatta. This might sound odd, but one of my underlying fears(and I must admit it's more of a minor fear right now, but it's something always in the back of my mind) is that experience of emptiness/anatta could lead to psychosis, depersonalization, loss of identity, and loss of touch with reality... essentially losing one's mind. I remember reading a book on Jewish mediation and the author presented a meditation on emptiness towards the end of the book but gave many warnings on how any spiritual activities that focus on "emptiness" should never be done without a teacher due to their danger. What are the dangers of meditation on emptiness? What precautions should be taken?

One of the books I'm reading right now actually briefly talks about this subject and how the author knew a guy that ended up getting a lot of psychotic episodes from his meditation practices and ended up having to give up meditation completely (I don't know the complete story, perhaps the guy had an underlying mental disorder to begin with). Anyways, the author's reasoning was that the people experiencing these negative effects are misunderstanding anatta. Essentially these people are clinging to the idea that everything is absolutely empty, and thus they lose touch with reality. But they are only seeing half the picture. Yes, everything is empty of inherent existence or nature, but yet we still exist. Yes, my true identity is empty of inherent existence but yet I still exist , you can have a conversation with me, we can go for a run, or eat lunch... these things are real. This is the paradox of existence - you are empty but yet you are real. Sure, a Bear is empty of inherent existence, but it still exists in a sense - if you ever have an encounter with a black bear growling right in front of your face, you'll probably understand that the experience is real.

So anyways, the point here is that the people who "lose there minds" while pursuing emptiness are only seeing half the picture. This is really hard to describe in words, but the best teaching I've found on the subject is this: "form is emptiness and emptiness is form." (nothing inherently exists) But you could also say, "form is form and emptiness is emptiness." (things relatively exist).

Maybe I'm just overthinking this, afterall, there are hundreds of thousands of Buddhists and most of them seem to be pretty healthy, there certainly doesnt seem to be a correlation between Buddhism and psychosis lol and science is starting to confirm the positive benefits of meditation and Buddhist practices. But perhaps there are certain individuals who have an easier ability to "open doors" in their perception, and for such individuals, mediation and experience of emptiness can be a dangerous thing. If this is the case, what precautions should one take who is pursuing a Buddhist path of experiencing emptiness? Like I said, this isn't a huge fear of mine but I guess I just want to get this off my chest.

By itself, the experience of anatta/sunyata can be something that causes a mental breakdown, in the psychological sense. Many Buddhist teachers warn against trying to get too deep into meditation without a teacher, and this is one of the reasons. I think part of the problem is trying to get to this point, without realizing any of the other Buddhist teachings, or trying to get to this point too fast. Buddhism can be practiced by anyone, but it's always helpful to have an experienced guide.
 
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