Dawkins and Wendy Wright debate.

[Gloone]

shared ancestry.. like you and I are only on a larger scale.

wa:do

You are still trying to switch the subject from similarities to relationships and you are not clearly defining how those relationships or similarities exists. At least not in the proper context of what a "kin", "relationship" or "similarities" are.

 

[Gloone]

Why would you do that?

That's just mean

It will grow back.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

I think it is better do debate the details of evolution with competing evolutionary theories such as punctuated equilibrium versus gradualism. Any serious scientist already knows evolution is a well established fact with irrefutable evidence from fossils and animal DNA. So let’s forget about wasting our time banging our heads against brick walls with ignoramuses like Wendy Wright.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

It will grow back.

I f;ing hope so.

it's kind of hard to stad up strsight without it,.

-Q

 

[fantome profane]

What did you expect him to whip it out in front of her.

That would definitely have made it a more interesting video.:faint::run:

 

[painted wolf]

I think it is better do debate the details of evolution with competing evolutionary theories such as punctuated equilibrium versus gradualism. Any serious scientist already knows evolution is a well established fact with irrefutable evidence from fossils and animal DNA. So let’s forget about wasting our time banging our heads against brick walls with ignoramuses like Wendy Wright.

Yes, but people like her are trying to legislate the teaching of myth as science... as such, it is a very serious concern for serious scientists.

wa:do

 

[painted wolf]

You are still trying to switch the subject from similarities to relationships and you are not clearly defining how those relationships or similarities exists. At least not in the proper context of what a "kin", "relationship" or "similarities" are.

So, there is a special line that stops DNA from being accurate in defining what humans are related to other species... but not to each other?

Is this the thread to hammer out the proper context of "kin", "relationship" or "similarities"?

Perhaps you want to start a new thread and stop derailing this one?

wa:do

 

[PennyKay]

Yes, but people like her are trying to legislate the teaching of myth as science... as such, it is a very serious concern for serious scientists.

wa:do

Very true, this is what concerns me the most...the fact that her organisation actually does have a pretty strong influence in America is very worrying.

This is their website incase anyone wants to learn more Concerned Women for America

To me, the big problem in America (and I think the reason why ID was constructed) is that religion isn't allowed to be taught in schools due to the separation of church and state.

Thus, the way influential christian groups in America deal with this, is to try and adapt christianity and the how they think the universe came to be by saying...yes evolution is true, as is all well established scientific knowledge but...God did it...! That way they can try and get a large majority of their religion into science lessons in schools without going against legislation.

A good video describing this is this;

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YouTube - Robin Ince on Creationism

 

[painted wolf]

To me, the big problem in America (and I think the reason why ID was constructed) is that religion isn't allowed to be taught in schools due to the separation of church and state.

Actually, that's not true.
You can't preach or proselytize in school... but a comparative religion course is allowed... as is reading the Bible in a literature/cultural/historical context.
Joint Statement of Current Law on Religion in the Public Schools | American Civil Liberties Union

wa:do

 

[outhouse]

its still not illeagal to teach creation in all school and in some that do teach it,treat it as a joke

In the bible belt in states that do teach evolution its taught as a joke and they sit around shaking the heads at it as the teacher is not teaching. They treat it like a side show.

 

[painted wolf]

its still not illeagal to teach creation in all school and in some that do teach it,treat it as a joke

In the bible belt in states that do teach evolution its taught as a joke and they sit around shaking the heads at it as the teacher is not teaching. They treat it like a side show.

Actually, yes... it is illegal to teach creationism/ID in a science class...
It has been ruled religious proselytizing and not science.

It is permissible in a religious studies class in the context of religious origins stories.
Joint Statement of Current Law on Religion in the Public Schools | American Civil Liberties Union

 

[Gloone]

So, there is a special line that stops DNA from being accurate in defining what humans are related to other species... but not to each other?

Is this the thread to hammer out the proper context of "kin", "relationship" or "similarities"?

Perhaps you want to start a new thread and stop derailing this one?

wa:do

Nope I am just trying to figure out what Ol'Dawkins is saying by closest to kin. The next thing closest to humans? And not Kin as in related right.

 

[Nepenthe]

Here is an upcoming debate that should be interesting...


Famed atheist Christopher Hitchens to debate at Christian school in Plano | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

wa:do

The debate ended 90 minutes ago yet I don't see a YouTube posting despite it being streamed live.
Oh...it looks like the Biblical Worldview Institute will have the webcast available for viewing on the 22nd.
If the live blogs are to be believed Dembski had his *** handed to him. Dembski is just inept here. I swear I wonder how some people get their PhDs...
Thoughts from a Godless Heathen: Live Blogging the Hitchens/Dembski Debate

 

[outhouse]

Actually, yes... it is illegal to teach creationism/ID in a science class...
It has been ruled religious proselytizing and not science.

It is permissible in a religious studies class in the context of religious origins stories.
Joint Statement of Current Law on Religion in the Public Schools | American Civil Liberties Union

what about this

Creation and evolution in public education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Louisiana
On 12 June 2008, bill(SB561) or the "Louisiana Academic Freedom Act" passed into law. Under the guise of academic freedom and critical thinking, it is designed to allow teachers to introduce unqualified references and arguments, as a way to push political agendas, and sidestep U.S. Constitutional law.


Im glad they quit teaching in my opinion myth's. atleast we evolved past creationism in schools

 

[painted wolf]

what about this

Creation and evolution in public education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Louisiana
On 12 June 2008, bill(SB561) or the "Louisiana Academic Freedom Act" passed into law. Under the guise of academic freedom and critical thinking, it is designed to allow teachers to introduce unqualified references and arguments, as a way to push political agendas, and sidestep U.S. Constitutional law.


Im glad they quit teaching in my opinion myth's. atleast we evolved past creationism in schools

This likely end up in court real soon....
Louisiana Citizens Horrified that there’s Evolution in Science Books | Religion Dispatches

It will be interesting to see how the "Academic freedom" angle flies in court.

wa:do

*woops missed an update: http://www.religiondispatches.org/d...na_panel_votes_in_favor_of_science_textbooks_

 

[outhouse]

hopefully dec 7 it gets finalized.

that will be the nail in the coffin

 

[evolved yet?]

I prefer my fedora and brainy specs.

wa:do

I love Doctor Who!

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

I think creationism only has its place in anthropology as part of culture studies, so the two very different and conflicting creation stories of the Bible would be compared with other creation myths from Australian aboriginal Dreamtime to the Inuit creation myths, all be just shown up as part of humanities’ crude attempt to demystify their cosmology.

 

[PennyKay]

It seems daft to me that (as far as I'm aware) you can study the bible as a historical text, philosophical text etc...but you can't treat it as the thing that it actually is in the USA which is a religious text.

I have no problem with religion being taught in schools. Even if you don't believe in it, so many people in the world do, and you have to understand what it is they believe as it's still such a big part of the human culture.

I just hate the thought of it being taught in science classes. Its setting up bad habits for the scientists of the future.

 

[fossil]

I wonder what would happen if they did teact creationosm/ID, but others not just the Christian version.
I like the Hindu version personally. Cycles of the universe over and over again.