Dealing with the Abortion/Holocaust Comparison

[Augustus]

Simply saying "lol ur wrong" doesn't go anywhere.

Not 'lol ur wrong' but 'lol ur a gibbon '

I'm not sure if it is just wrong or not even wrong. It's a non sequitur that only merits derision. Any attempts to explain the 'logic' behind it only merit further derision a bit like comparing Kant's Critique of Pure Reason with an air conditioner. There is no commonality between them.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Well if someone were to say that to me they would immediately be put on my ignore list.
If someone lacks the intelligence required to differentiate between the holocaust and abortion they don't deserve a valid response.
Best thing you can do is insult them back (if you can't ignore them).

"The analogy that you crapped out of your mouth just now lost you any respect you had gained from me up to this point.
If you continue to make such a comparison, your brain may turn off from the idiocy.
Please, never procreate. Having more of your kind may eventually destroy the human race."

Or something like that.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Best thing you can do is insult them back (if you can't ignore them).

"The analogy that you crapped out of your mouth just now lost you any respect you had gained from me up to this point.
If you continue to make such a comparison, your brain may turn off from the idiocy.
Please, never procreate. Having more of your kind may eventually destroy the human race."

Or something like that.

The memory of the holocaust is ill served by such adolescent posturing.

 

[Deathbydefault]

The memory of the holocaust is ill served by such adolescent posturing.

Not my concern.

 

[Underhill]

I've been in your shoes. I simply point out that it is a dishonest comparison and I am done with them until they can talk reasonably on the subject.

I would also point out that this tactic has never worked for me. So what do I know?

 

[columbus]

I've been in your shoes. I simply point out that it is a dishonest comparison and I am done with them until they can talk reasonably on the subject.

I would also point out that this tactic has never worked for me. So what do I know?

I can't help but point out the dramatic double standard here.
Tangential emotional appeals to the holocaust are a problem to pro abortionists. But similar emotional appeals to slavery by them get no attention at all.
Tom

 

[Quetzal]

I can't help but point out the dramatic double standard here.
Tangential emotional appeals to the holocaust are a problem to pro abortionists. But similar emotional appeals to slavery by them get no attention at all.
Tom

I really wish I could understand where you are getting this slavery idea. No one in this thread has suggested this comparison. Further, I have never heard of this comparison arising in discussion; in person or online.

 

[Underhill]

I can't help but point out the dramatic double standard here.
Tangential emotional appeals to the holocaust are a problem to pro abortionists. But similar emotional appeals to slavery by them get no attention at all.
Tom

There is a difference (and yes I am splitting hairs). Allowing something is not the same as controlling a policy, endorsing a policy, or mandating a policy. Disallowing something is controlling it. It is an en-mass decision to not allow women that choice.

It still isn't a comparison I would use. But it is not the same as a comparison to state sponsored genocide. One is completely nonsensical. The other is an exaggeration of the situation.

 

[Underhill]

I really wish I could understand where you are getting this slavery idea. No one in this thread has suggested this comparison. Further, I have never heard of this comparison arising in discussion; in person or online.

I haven't in a long time. But I have heard it. I remember in my youth hearing women (protesters) talk about anti abortion laws keeping them in chains.

 

[leibowde84]

I can't help but point out the dramatic double standard here.
Tangential emotional appeals to the holocaust are a problem to pro abortionists. But similar emotional appeals to slavery by them get no attention at all.
Tom

When you use the ridiculously erroneous, misleading, and insulting name "pro abortionist", it makes you lose credibility in your complaint. For most "pro-choicers", the term "pro-abortion" could not be further from the truth. To the vast majority, the issue revolves around the notion of bodily autonomy.

 

[columbus]

I really wish I could understand where you are getting this slavery idea. No one in this thread has suggested this comparison. Further, I have never heard of this comparison arising in discussion; in person or online.

I hear it at least as often as the holocaust nonsense.
Including here on RF, such as in the thread entitled "Abortion".
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

I hear it at least as often as the holocaust nonsense.
Including here on RF, such as in the thread entitled "Abortion".
Tom

Are you referring to the Bodily Autonomy argument?

 

[columbus]

Are you referring to the Bodily Autonomy argument?

No, not specifically. I rarely get that far.
I am referring to terms like "slavery". And "incubator".
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

No, not specifically. I rarely get that far.
I am referring to terms like "slavery". And "incubator".
Tom

Those are references to bodily autonomy. The mother being forced to give up the use of her body against her will.

 

[columbus]

And

Those are references to bodily autonomy. The mother being forced to give up the use of her body against her will.

And the holocaust is a reference to state sanctioned death, numbering in the millions.

They are both still irrelevant appeals to emotions.
But that is unremarkable, depending on who is doing it to who. That is the double standard I am referring to.
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

And

And the holocaust is a reference to state sanctioned death, numbering in the millions.

They are both still irrelevant appeals to emotions.
But that is unremarkable, depending on who is doing it to who. That is the double standard I am referring to.
Tom

Isn't that more similar to any state sanctioned war rather than the mass execution of 6 million Jews in the interest of racial purity?

 

[columbus]

Isn't that more similar to any state sanctioned war rather than the mass execution of 6 million Jews in the interest of racial purity?

Depends on which aspect of a fundamentally irrelevant emotional appeal you decide to focus on.

Expecting parents to provide the bare minimum of care to children that they choose to create doesn't much equate to slavery or forcing people to be incubators either. But the argument persists.
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

Depends on which aspect of a fundamentally irrelevant emotional appeal you decide to focus on.

Expecting parents to provide the bare minimum of care to children that they choose to create doesn't much equate to slavery or forcing people to be incubators either. But the argument persists.
Tom

That is because child care has absolutely nothing to do with bodily autonomy. It is aggravating when people fail to even attempt to understand the argument. Once the child is born, it is bodily autonomous.