Debate on Abortion.

[Humanistheart]

So it does not matter if it was forced or not?

And I would never say that it is solely a matter of what someone wishes when we deal with something like rape. There is a lot more to it then.

I agree it would not be that simple, nothing about this topic is. But, if we were to assume for a moment that abortion is the killing of human life as Knight does, than why would the origins of that life affect the childs right to live? If your dad went out and robbed a bank would we arrest you? I daubt it. That seems more like christian thinking, the part about punishing children for parents misdeeds at any rate.

 

[Memories]

The fact that no supernatural evidence has ever been proven via scientific theory is evidence enough, isn't it?

NO it isnt, just because we have absence of evidence does not mean evidence of abscence. how many times must I repeat this?

I have no evidence to think that the stock market will not go up, but that in no way allows me to pass judgement that the stock market WONT go up, or that its gonna go down! Is this clear?

 

[Humanistheart]

NO it isnt, just because we have absence of evidence does not mean evidence of abscence. how many times must I repeat this?

I have no evidence to think that the stock market will not go up, but that in no way allows me to pass judgement that the stock market WONT go up, or that its gonna go down! Is this clear?

So in your world lepricauns, unicorns, fairies and all the like must exist. Or do you just pick and choose which make believe concepts to apply that argument to?

 

[JeLy]

NO it isnt, just because we have absence of evidence does not mean evidence of abscence. how many times must I repeat this?

I have no evidence to think that the stock market will not go up, but that in no way allows me to pass judgement that the stock market WONT go up, or that its gonna go down! Is this clear?

As many times as it takes for you to use it at the correct time, I suppose. That statement has no bearing on what the question was. Sorry.

 

[Memories]

And to think, just a moment ago, you were telling me to be more loving. I think my irony meter just exploded.

My story was a direct response to the specific claim that no pregnancies are the result of force. It wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was disproof.

I never argued that ''no pregnancies are the result of force.'' which is why Im not interested in your tales. Besides I think that King badly worded this.

 

[Kerr]

I agree it would not be that simple, nothing about this topic is. But, if we were to assume for a moment that abortion is the killing of human life as Knight does, than why would the origins of that life affect the childs right to live? If your dad went out and robbed a bank would we arrest you? I daubt it. That seems more like christian thinking, the part about punishing children for parents misdeeds at any rate.

I never said it was easy. However, a fetus is as I see it not a human more then a seed is a tree and to say to people who has been victims to abuse and rape that they should just keep the child... I don´t know, I can´t do that.

 

[Storm]

I never argued that ''no pregnancies are the result of force.'' which is why Im not interested in your tales. Besides I think that King badly worded this.

Which is why I wasn't talking to you. TheKnight made the claim. Pay attention.

 

[Humanistheart]

"You value human life differently. To me, it is the mind that provides value to a human, not the body. A fetus does not automatically have a mind, it takes time, and before that time has passed it can´t be considered murder."

I value? Are you pressuming to know my values, and my 'position' to this topic?

So if it's merely the mind that makes a person have worth, what kind of mind, and how do you define this word mind, what's happening in this 'time' of which you speak? Are you using brain and mind interchangably? Is it just the act of having this 'mind' or does this mind have to have a certain level to it for you to count it?

 

[Memories]

Which is why I wasn't talking to you. TheKnight made the claim. Pay attention.

Then refrain from posting here and take a hike?

 

[Storm]

Then refrain from posting here and take a hike?

1) I'll post as I please, where I please.
2) You're not the only person in the thread. The claim was made here. Do you not even bother to read your own topics?
On both counts - COPE!

 

[Humanistheart]

I never said it was easy. However, a fetus is as I see it not a human more then a seed is a tree and to say to people who has been victims to abuse and rape that they should just keep the child... I don´t know, I can´t do that.

Actually a seed is the same thing as a tree in some respects. The apple seed and the apple tree are the same species, they share the same dna. Do you have a more accurate example perhaps?

 

[Kerr]

"You value human life differently. To me, it is the mind that provides value to a human, not the body. A fetus does not automatically have a mind, it takes time, and before that time has passed it can´t be considered murder."

I value? Are you pressuming to know my values, and my 'position' to this topic?

So if it's merely the mind that makes a person have worth, what kind of mind, and how do you define this the word mind, what's happening in this 'time' of which you speak? Are you using brain and mind interchangably? Is it just the act of having this 'mind' or does this mind have to have a certain level to it for you to count it?

I changed my post, but no, a pair of cells cannot have a mind. It needs a brain. Don´t believe in the soul, so I cannot say that we have a value as soon as the egg is fertilized. Do not know technically when the brain is developed enough.

 

[Memories]

1) I'll post as I please, where I please.
2) You're not the only person in the thread. The claim was made here. Do you not even bother to read your own topics?
On both counts - COPE!

Oh I dont have to cope with whatever tale you decide to sprout out of your bum on my topic, its an appeal to emotions and does not disprove anything, for all we know you could be lying your way in with these tales to prove your point.

Refrain from using these fine peices of sophistry or just plain dont post on my topic.

 

[TheKnight]

Yes, you did:
Guess what? I was forced to get pregnant. I was molested by my stepfather, and he got me pregnant at 13. When he and my mother found out, they beat me until I miscarried.

I'm sorry to hear that. I should have worded my statement better and I apologize.

Where did I say that any of it was "okay?" I was merely pointing out the fact that sex is a part of life for all animals.

You said "Animals have sex. We're animals. Get over it!" That implies that because animals have sex, it is "okay" for us to do so as well.

Although, that isn't the argument and your point is relatively moot in relation to the topic of this thread, which is abortion.

Apart from defecating anywhere you want...Interesting.

You don't know what my "holy book" consists of...neither are you aware of what I base my morality upon.

So it does not matter if it was forced or not?

In my opinion, no. The only situation I can think of would be one where not aborting the fetus would result in the death of the mother. An argument (a weak one) could possibly be made in a case where the mother would be emotionally damaged by having the child.

And I would never say that it is solely a matter of what someone wishes when we deal with something like rape. There is a lot more to it then.

Like?

 

[Kerr]

Actually a seed is the same thing as a tree in some respects. The apple seed and the apple tree are the same species, they share the same dna. Do you have a more accurate example perhaps?

Nope. A seed has the same DNA, but it is not full grown.

And fact is, all the cells in your body has the exact same DNA. Except for sperm or eggs, they only have about half.

 

[Storm]

Oh I dont have to cope with whatever tale you decide to sprout out of your bum on my topic, its an appeal to emotions and does not disprove anything, for all we know you could be lying your way in with these tales to prove your point.

Dude, if you're going to malign my honesty, you'd better have damned good reason to do so.

Refrain from using these fine peices of sophistry or just plain dont post on my topic.

Screw you.

 

[Kerr]

Like?

Well, unless you like to reduce being bullied until one commit suicide into a question of not liking what other people say, trauma play a huge roll.

 

[Humanistheart]

I changed my post, .

I wondered about that.

but no, a pair of cells cannot have a mind. It needs a brain. .

Needs a brain for what? The majority of life on earth does not have a brain, and it's getting on fabulously.

Don´t believe in the soul, so I cannot say that we have a value as soon as the egg is fertilized..

Nor do I, nor does every person who believes in a soul believe that it's there at the point of fertilization.

Do not know technically when the brain is developed enough.

You don't know, but you're willing to make statments about other's lives. Technically the brain doesn't finish millianation (sp?) untill about 25 yrs of age. By your logic I could kill almost everyone I know, because they don't really have a mind yet.

 

[Kerr]

Then refrain from posting here and take a hike?

:slap::slap:

 

[Kerr]

I wondered about that.



Needs a brain for what? The majority of life on earth does not have a brain, and it's getting on fabulously.



Nor do I, nor does every person who believes in a soul believe that it's there at the point of fertilization.



You don't know, but you're willing to make statments about other's lives. Technically the brain doesn't finish millianation (sp?) untill about 25 yrs of age. By your logic I could kill almost everyone I know, because they don't really have a mind yet.

Yep, go on, I recommend a chainsaw because hearing people scream can be like music for the soul.

Kidding, have a very screwed up sense of humor.