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"Declaration Of Independence Banned" - It's A Lie!

Pah

Uber all member
From http://seetheforest.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_seetheforest_archive.html#109993131890313203
a Weblog from Dave Johnson

Wednesday, November 24, 2004


"Declaration Of Independence Banned" - It's A Lie!

I don't have much time right now but I want to bring attention to this "news" story Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School:

A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence.

Steven Williams, a fifth-grade teacher at Stevens Creek School in the San Francisco Bay area suburb of Cupertino, sued for discrimination on Monday, claiming he had been singled out for censorship by principal Patricia Vidmar because he is a Christian.

Summary (inferred) - the teacher was forcing his students to listen to and read "Christian Nation" propaganda. The school asked him to stop. The teacher is suing the school with the help of a right-wing "Christian Law" organization, the Alliance Defense Fund. (Also see this.)

The school did not "ban the Declaration of Independence" -- that is just a lie. This story is like when you hear that a man was "arrested for praying" and you find out he was kneeling in the middle of a busy intersection at rush hour and refused to move.

This is the BIG STORY today, on Rush, and Drudge, and the rest of the Usual Suspects. And it is a carefully planned and carefully timed lie.


The story is timed for this afternoon so that it cannot be refuted until Monday.

It is timed to cause fights and hatred at family Thanksgiving dinners across the country.

It is part of a strategy to reinforce a "conventional wisdom" notion that "liberals" are "going too far" with their demands of separation of church and state.

People For the American Way has a web page about the Alliance Defense Fund. From PFAW:

ADF's Founders:

Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ

Larry Burkett, founder of Christian Financial Concepts

Rev. James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family

Rev. D. James Kennedy, founder of Coral Ridge Ministries

Marlin Maddoux, President of International Christian Media

Don Wildmon, founder of American Family Association
(And 25+ other ministries)
President and General Counsel: Alan Sears
Date of founding: 1994
Finances: $15,411,093 (2001 budget)

And note this:

ADF defines itself by its ability to strategize and coordinate with lawyers all over the United States.
[. . .]
ADF also defends the right of Christians to 'share the gospel' in workplaces and public schools, claiming that any efforts to curb proselytizing at work and school are anti-Christian.

"Strategize and coordinate." Sounds like what's happening with this story, planted on Rush and Drudge, in time for the holiday. I hope that other bloggers can pick up on this. I suspect many of us are going to miss how important this is -- how big of an effect this is going to have on things we care about. This story is designed as ammunition for family conversations tomorrow.

As I write this, O'Reilly is on the air on FOX saying "Another ruling by an activist judge that puts us all in danger." That's an exact quote. It isn't about this story, but it reinforces it: Yet more "liberals' who are "going too far."

See the forest. See how this stuff works!

Update - I have a more few pre-holiday minutes to spend on this... To be clear about this story, the school said the teacher could not use handouts that included quotes from the Declaration and other documents. A San Mateo Times story (where I live) says,

"She then prevented Williams from giving students several handouts including:
- Excerpts from the Declaration of Independence with references to "God," "Creator," and "Supreme Judge."

And from the Alliance's press release,

Attorneys with the Alliance Defense Fund filed suit yesterday against the Cupertino Union School District for prohibiting a teacher from providing supplemental handouts to students about American history because the historical documents contain some references to God and religion. [emphasis added]

Supplemental handouts, huh? I wonder where he got those from?

That's all this is. The rest is strategic disinformation -- agitprop.

And for the Right's spin on the story -- how's suing for saying "Merry Christmas?"

More links for confirmation
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
What is the name of that Al Franken book? "Lies and the Lying Liars that Tell Them"? Something like that... (My book case is a room away, and I'd have to *gasp!* leave RF for a few seconds to check.) Boy, does that title fit.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The best way to become a radio talk show host like Rush Limbaugh or Matt Drudge is to first have half your brain surgically removed and tied behind your back. Afterwards, you won't have enough brains to know when you're lying -- a fact that can only help your career. Does anyone over the age of 13 really believe what Rush and Drudge say?
 

troutk13

CEO of Religious Forums
Pah said:
Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ

Larry Burkett, founder of Christian Financial Concepts

Rev. James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family

Rev. D. James Kennedy, founder of Coral Ridge Ministries

Marlin Maddoux, President of International Christian Media

Don Wildmon, founder of American Family Association
Clearly. these people are out to destroy the American way
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
The problem with Rush, and they are multitudinous, is that the man KNOWS what he is doing. It's not about the politics for him, as he would have you believe, it is all about the cash. He knows that he distorts the truth and revels in it. I would bet that he believes less than %10 of his own tripe.

Thats the main problem with the Republican War Machine. It's all about the cash.
 

troutk13

CEO of Religious Forums
NetDoc said:
The problem with Rush, and they are multitudinous, is that the man KNOWS what he is doing. It's not about the politics for him, as he would have you believe, it is all about the cash. He knows that he distorts the truth and revels in it. I would bet that he believes less than %10 of his own tripe.

Thats the main problem with the Republican War Machine. It's all about the cash.
And of course you aren't "distorting the truth" with your unproven 10% assertion are you NetDoc?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Are we talking about the SAME Rush Limabugh?

The one who claims to be the "Voice of Reason"?

Who tells us with resounding confidence (arrogance) that he will tell us what to believe.

The same guy who hands out Limbaughtomies to the unsuspecting masses?

The drug abuser?

He makes Michael Moore look balanced!

And Joe McCarthy look reserved.

And he has a Sleep number for crying out loud. How can you trust a man with a sleep number?
 

troutk13

CEO of Religious Forums
NetDoc said:
Let me guess... you think he and Bush are the greatest patriots since Nixon.
Well I see you throw around bald assertions and slander on an equal basis.

My point is, that you seem to be taking the same kinds of liberties with the truth regarding Rush that you deplore in him. Maybe I'm wrong.
 

Pah

Uber all member
troutk13 said:
Clearly. these people are out to destroy the American way

Yeah. Isn't their method insidious? Isn't it amazing how these men of faith can found an organization that plays to the worldly scheming of exagerating for effect and not fact? That organization is certain to cast doubt (and consequent harm) to the tradition of just and truthful men of Christian faith. It can't help but put Chrisitianity in a bad light.

Bob
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
There is no disgrace in having an opinion of a man. Even a low, uninformed opinion of that man.

It's quite another thing to attack people publicly by spreading malicious gossip and calculated misrepresentations. They even caught him on camera one time chortling about how he was distorting the truth. It was sickening.
 

Pah

Uber all member
NetDoc said:
There is no disgrace in having an opinion of a man. Even a low, uninformed opinion of that man.

It's quite another thing to attack people publicly by spreading malicious gossip and calculated misrepresentations. They even caught him on camera one time chortling about how he was distorting the truth. It was sickening.

Not specifying "who" makes this very confusing if we are to understand your postion.

Bob
 
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