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Definitions of atheism. Can atheism be scientifically defined?

McBell

McBell

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questfortruth said:
Please tell me, do I understand the following correctly. I am opened to productive discussions.

These definitions of atheism are equivalent:
Non-belief in the existence of True God,
Belief in the non-existence of True God.
The True God is not an idol, the idol is man-made and wrong understanding of god.

Quote from WWW:
"The scientific method employs something called methodological naturalism. This is the presumption that natural causes and explanations can be found for what we observe in nature. That principle (and the reliance on observation to support hypotheses) is the whole point behind the science. It is what has made it so successful ever since the Renaissance at explaining the physical world."

Naturalism is the belief, that God does not influence the world, that there is no God in the world. Thus, it is not different from atheism.

Thus, atheism is the method of science. Thus, the science has an anti-religious agenda, for example, Charles Darwin's Evolution has ripped off the Church many innocent souls. "Who is not with Me, is against Me" (Jesus Christ). Jesus is consistent: God is Life, thus, who is against Life, serves Death. Why? The reality has sources. The illusion has sources. The original source of reality is God. The original source of illusion is satan. There is no third option in my religion.

Reality follows Aristotle's laws of logic. Illusion violates these laws.
If there are no objective laws of logic, then all is an illusion. If this is true, then this sentence is real. Thus, we came to the contradiction. Therefore, there is the reality.

That is why in the coming God's kingdom the scientific activity will go under the name "Natural Theology". Yes, it is my naming, but there was Natural Philosophy. The natural theology is the nature research activity, which goes under the True Religion. The True Religion is the most adequate understanding of who the True God is. First hand, it is the understanding, that God's name is God, and what God is existent.

Demons can influence science tests and numerical calculations. Thus, scientists are better to pray together (without a shame to say in the papers: "the prayers were done") before running their machines. Look up the contribution:

Undecidability, Uncomputability, and Unpredictability or how Science has run into the Q-problem by Dmitri Martila

Science ran into Q-problem

But that will be no science, but natural theology.


The only problem, that the world is semi-natural.

God shares His name with the true believers, who call themselves "gods by Grace." Other gods have stolen the Holy name "God", thus they are idols. The satan is the origin of idols, the origin of all sin, including atheism. The satan is the spirit of death.

The natural theology is consistent with Creationism but calls the time before 8000 BC as virtual history. The virtual matter and the virtual spacetime one can begin to study using this viXra file:
Gravity Law Without Universalism is Solving Many Tasks, viXra.org e-Print archive, viXra:2007.0112
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This appears to be nothing more than a plug for your "science" publications.
And given this OP is a good example of your "science" papers, it is no surprise that they fair the way they do.
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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Mestemia said:
This appears to be nothing more than a plug for your "science" publications.
And given this OP is a good example of your "science" papers, it is no surprise that they fair the way they do.
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How many times they would become better, if I delete the words "God", "soul", "Love", "angels"?

 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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Mestemia said:
That you think it is simply because the words "god", "Love", "soul", and "angels" in them is most comical.
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Caught you! There are no such words in that viXra file. You have not read a single line. You don't love me, do you? "Love your enemy" (Jesus), means love the stranger as well.
 
Nimos

Nimos

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questfortruth said:
Demons can influence science tests and numerical calculations.
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Well demons are considered supernatural as well, so they are also ignored.

Besides that, people can point fingers at science all they want...

But you can't deny computers, telephones, satellites, cars, planes, medicin.. if science didn't work, it would be a complete mystery how any of these things works. :)
 
McBell

McBell

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questfortruth said:
But how exactly? How nature allows the function of God? There is no function of God's Freewill in General Relativity. The answer has the viXra file.
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God works in mysterious ways.
We mere mortal humans can in no way understand the all powerful all knowing uncreated creator.
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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Nimos said:
Sure, there is nothing to prevent you from demonstrating it.
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The demosntration (using math) is in the viXra file. But I can ask you: if Dark Matter is matter, then why it is not detected in underground detectors or made in CERN?
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
There is no such state or condition as "non-belief". That definition is nonsensical.
 
McBell

McBell

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PureX said:
There is no such state or condition as "non-belief". That definition is nonsensical.
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lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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questfortruth said:
Naturalism is the belief, that God does not influence the world, that there is no God in the world. Thus, it is not different from atheism.
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You were speaking of methodological naturalism. That is ABSOLUTELY NOT the equivalent of atheism. Indeed, some atheists see it as apologetic towards theism.

It is simply an acknowledgement that the scientific method is limited to testing and falsifying the material. Any beliefs or assumptions about the supernatural should be kept apart from science since they cannot be tested for, measured, or falsified.
 
Nimos

Nimos

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questfortruth said:
The demosntration (using math) is in the viXra file. But I can ask you: if Dark Matter is matter, then why it is not detected in underground detectors or made in CERN?
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Trust me if I knew the answer to that question, I would not be on this forum, i would be at CERN :D

Whether or not it have been detected or not is not really important I think. What is important however is that they are trying to figure out, which eventually will give you an answer.

Think about how long it took to prove that atoms were real?

It took a few thousand years, until just recently when we got good enough at making machines that we could prove Democritus' atom theory. Can you imagine that? He came up with an idea, but it took 2,400 years before anyone figured out that he was right!

That is the issue, well if we can't explain it within a few years, then it's not true and therefore God, aliens or a supercomputer did it. But time after time, science have come up with answers. It's not a new idea, that people throw in a supernatural explanation the moment they get stuck and can't explain something. And time after time they have been wrong...
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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lewisnotmiller said:
Any beliefs or assumptions about the supernatural should be kept apart from science since they cannot be tested for, measured, or falsified.
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It can be tested, but not within science. I need Natural Theology. For example, the church of satan in USA is called religion. But it should be non-theistical religion. It is like Buddism. Because the satan is defined as (fallen) angel, not God. Another test is the failure to detect Dark Matter in underground detectors. That means, that there can be invisible world, which acts on the visible matter.
 
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