Definitions of "god"

[Unveiled Artist]

Even this link contains the following: "Modern science suggests the world is made of matter and energy. Matter is anything that takes up space. Energy is the ability to move matter or do work. Understanding what energy is and how it moves in the body can offer practical benefits in your daily life."

The implication is that the sense in which they use the word "energy" is the scientific sense. They then immediately proceed to teach the reader a load of stuff which is completely unscientific about "energy".

This is deception.

If you look at the list, it's associating energy with say healing energy not heat, mechanical, electric, etc. The context is metaphysical in nature.

I wouldn't compare the two cause the context in which the word is used is not scientific. Context is important.

For example

"According to these traditions, subtle energy is the omnipresent informational field; a force that functions as the primary energy that sustains all life."

"....people in modern times are able to access extraordinary states of consciousness through hypnosis including; out of body experiences, super-human strength, remote viewing, past life regression, and more."

"Another, Shen, is the spiritual energy that you cultivate through mindful living. The energy you cultivate and spend most days is known as Qi, which is the universal force that is said to flow through all living things."

You have to read it in full or at least skim the definitions and list to see how they are using the word which has nothing to do with science.

 

[Onoma]

This thread really makes me think of A. C. Clarke's 3rd law:

" Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic "

 

[exchemist]

If you look at the list, it's associating energy with say healing energy not heat, mechanical, electric, etc. The context is metaphysical in nature.

I wouldn't compare the two cause the context in which the word is used is not scientific. Context is important.

For example

"According to these traditions, subtle energy is the omnipresent informational field; a force that functions as the primary energy that sustains all life."

"....people in modern times are able to access extraordinary states of consciousness through hypnosis including; out of body experiences, super-human strength, remote viewing, past life regression, and more."

"Another, Shen, is the spiritual energy that you cultivate through mindful living. The energy you cultivate and spend most days is known as Qi, which is the universal force that is said to flow through all living things."

You have to read it in full or at least skim the definitions and list to see how they are using the word which has nothing to do with science.

I would not mind, if these people did not keep making associations with science while giving their spiel. What on earth is meant by "subtle energy is the omnipresent informational field."? "Field" is yet another term taken from physics, being used to make this gobbledegook sound like science.

And by the way, what is an informational field? Can you explain to me what this means, metaphysically. What information is it talking about? And how exactly is it present in the form of a "field"?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I would not mind, if these people did not keep making associations with science while giving their spiel. What on earth is meant by "subtle energy is the omnipresent informational field."? "Field" is yet another term taken from physics, being used to make this gobbledegook sound like science.

And by the way, what is an informational field? Can you explain to me what this means, metaphysically. What information is it talking about? And how exactly is it present in the form of a "field"?

In this context it's the psychological and physiological experience of being alive no the scientific (or rather biological) means that make it up.

There's no science involved in this.

 

[exchemist]

In this context it's the psychological and physiological experience of being alive no the scientific (or rather biological) means that make it up.

There's no science involved in this.

OK, but what then is meant by informational field? What information? And what is meant by "field"?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

OK, but what then is meant by informational field? What information? And what is meant by "field"?

Going by this quote

“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a conscious and intelligent non-visible living energy force. This energy force is the matrix mind of all matter.” – Max Planck, developer of Quantum Theory

It sounds like "intelligent...living.." is corresponding to those who feel this life force has interaction with human beings. As it's seen as life in these context, many see this force as complex or a matrix (thus can't be described, unknown, etc).

The key word subtle energy is the "omnipresent" informational field (maybe saying this energy has a mind) sounds like the author is relating it to abrahamic view (probably convenience or what he or she is familiar) that, or that's just the word he or she uses without connection to any one person's definition of life force. The list of words don't relate to abrahamic views so I guess it's just terminology not the context that's getting you?

At the end, though, wouldn't energy be something that sustain's life? (Ignoring the goobly gook for a minute)

 

[George-ananda]

"Energy force" is a nonsensical term, to any physical scientist. Mechanical work, which is a form of energy, is due to a force acting through a distance. W=Fd.

What Planck actually said, according to Wikiquote, is this:

• As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clearheaded science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Spirit. This Spirit is the matrix of all matter.

Wikiquote also has the original German: Synergy - Wikiquote

Notice that the word "energy" does not appear anywhere in this. Nor does the term "matrix mind". Planck, who said this around 1900, was a committed Lutheran Christian. Evidently he found his work on atoms reinforced his faith in God. The force he refers to is simply electrostatic attraction, between electrons and atomic nuclei. He seems to be speculating about the origin of the order in nature, as so many religiously inclined scientists have done, before and since.

Where do you get your version of the quote from? I suspect it has been altered, to fit the schtick of some pedlar of woo, who wants to attach a quantum physicist's name to it in order to give spurious authenticity.

I am no German translator but even in your quote there is not much difference.

We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Spirit.

Planck even by your quote is clearly a woo peddler and intends to be such. "Intelligent Spirit"; how can that possibly be reconciled for the hard materialist/physicalist science type. It's woo-woo to them! And that is Planck.

 

[George-ananda]

None of these is science.

Vedic Science

Again I am using established language. Vedic Science includes things like Planck's belief that the universe is given form by an intelligent spirit (Brahman in Vedic terminology).

 

[Milton Platt]

How would you define god as a common nature of all names mentioned? (Not specific to abrahamic, eastern, and pagan views)

I'm an atheist. I would define god (all of them) as non-existent so far as I can tell.
As to other people's beliefs, I can only ask them what they believe and why. It is up to them to define their deity. since I cannot see or examine the deity at all, and I have no definitive evidence of the deity's existence, they carry the responsibility to define it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

"Energy force" is a nonsensical term, to any physical scientist. Mechanical work, which is a form of energy, is due to a force acting through a distance. W=Fd.

What Planck actually said, according to Wikiquote, is this:

• As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clearheaded science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Spirit. This Spirit is the matrix of all matter.

Wikiquote also has the original German: Synergy - Wikiquote

Notice that the word "energy" does not appear anywhere in this. Nor does the term "matrix mind". Planck, who said this around 1900, was a committed Lutheran Christian. Evidently he found his work on atoms reinforced his faith in God. The force he refers to is simply electrostatic attraction, between electrons and atomic nuclei. He seems to be speculating about the origin of the order in nature, as so many religiously inclined scientists have done, before and since.

Where do you get your version of the quote from? I suspect it has been altered, to fit the schtick of some pedlar of woo, who wants to attach a quantum physicist's name to it in order to give spurious authenticity.

Going by strict definition of energy force (life force) be wrong?

"the force or influence that gives something its vitality or strength."

Do you sometimes experience vitality or strength when doing things at your skill level, passion, or so have you?

Efficiency of the Human Body – Body Physics: Motion to Metabolism

The spiritual part is using this energy (however they name it) in a way that supports and sustains their mental, physiological, and spiritual (overall well-being) health and practice. I disagree that non spiritual people can't "get it." I just think the language you're using needs to be seen in a different context in order to make sense of it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm an atheist. I would define god (all of them) as non-existent so far as I can tell.
As to other people's beliefs, I can only ask them what they believe and why. It is up to them to define their deity. since I cannot see or examine the deity at all, and I have no definitive evidence of the deity's existence, they carry the responsibility to define it.

If you made an intelligent guess, how would you go about describing it?

For example, dragons don't exist. I can give an intelligent guess on what I think a dragon would look and act like to talk about it. It still doesn't exist but my imagination can make it a concept or idea that I may use to discuss topics related to dragons.

On the other hand, if someone said what does Sasanizo mean, I couldn't give any clue. No one in the world has given me tools to make such a guess so it's meaningless.

 

[robocop (actually)]

"God," in this case, used because it's a common term people know. Not in this case does god refer to any nature or characteristic of one god/s abrahamic, eastern, pagan, and otherwise.

I found this interesting below of the different natures of what people mean when they refer to god as, let's say, the life force or energy that livens all into being. Tradition, language, Practice, oral and written dictation, etc helps one live it. Differing religions define it (using "it" to talk about something /grammar not to Be the nature of that thing) and see it in various ways.

Universal Life Force Energy: 8 Examples from Around the World

These lists are generalizations but hoping you get the context. Read at your own time. I know most faiths on RF don't like to discuss their views on this word (of single or multiple context), but hopefully there is some interaction nonetheless.

Enjoy.

45 Unique Subtle Energy Definitions & Names | Subtle Energy

Cheat sheet (ignore the list. It's not the same as the first link.)

1. 1.
   (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2. 2.
   (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

 

[Milton Platt]

If you made an intelligent guess, how would you go about describing it?

For example, dragons don't exist. I can give an intelligent guess on what I think a dragon would look and act like to talk about it. It still doesn't exist but my imagination can make it a concept or idea that I may use to discuss topics related to dragons.

On the other hand, if someone said what does Sasanizo mean, I couldn't give any clue. No one in the world has given me tools to make such a guess so it's meaningless.

I can't make an intelligent guess about the appearance of something that I do not believe exists. Well, maybe I can....a god looks like empty space and has the same properties. You're guess about dragons would be based upon what you have read or seen from others, an not on actual information about real dragons. That is why both dragons and gods are described differently by everyone who believes in them. I always leave it up to the person who believes in the god to describe it.
But it is interesting to read all the different versions of god that are showing up on the thread.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

1. 1.
   (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2. 2.
   (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

Can you add commentary so I know where you're getting at.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I can't make an intelligent guess about the appearance of something that I do not believe exists. Well, maybe I can....a god looks like empty space and has the same properties. You're guess about dragons would be based upon what you have read or seen from others, an not on actual information about real dragons. That is why both dragons and gods are described differently by everyone who believes in them. I always leave it up to the person who believes in the god to describe it.
But it is interesting to read all the different versions of god that are showing up on the thread.

You're guess about dragons would be based upon what you have read or seen from others, an not on actual information about real dragons.

Exactly. That's why I can talk about it. I'm an atheist too. Without religions definitions of gods and what I read i don't have the tools to talk about it. Since I'm in a Christian environment and have tools available on RF I can make a guess.

For example, some are saying god is an entity who talks. My idea would be something like Casper. They say you can feel it's presence. After understanding psychology and just how all people relate the response, it sounds more like europhia. They confirm it by Practice or scripture. I've read the latter and got an idea from that.

I still don't know what a god is but I can give my guess based on what I know. My dragon could be pink. Yours could be blue. It still doesn't exist but like god we have tools to talk about it.

But everyone's different. Ourside of RF are you around those who talk about gods? Perhaps?

 

[Milton Platt]

Exactly. That's why I can talk about it. I'm an atheist too. Without religions definitions of gods and what I read i don't have the tools to talk about it. Since I'm in a Christian environment and have tools available on RF I can make a guess some are saying god is an entity who talks. My idea would be something like Casper. They say you can feel it's presence. After understanding psychology and just how all people relate the response, it sounds more like europhia. They confirm it by Practice or scripture. I've read the latter and got an idea from that.

I still don't know what a god is but I can give my guess based on what I know. My dragon could be pink. Yours could be blue. It still doesn't exist but like god we have tools to talk about it.

But everyone's different. Ourside of RF are you around those who talk about gods? Perhaps?

Agreed. My only point is that any time I attack the aspects of any given god, the believer will inevitably say "that's not my god". so I shift the burden to them. It just saves a lot of time.

I don't get into a lot of discussions about gods outside of RF. I don't dodge the topic, but then it just isn't brought up in conversations generally.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Can you add commentary so I know where you're getting at.

I'm not getting at anything; just thought the dictionary might help someone.

 

[blü 2]

I'm not sure how this relates to the OP or what I mentioned.

Sorry ─ I was commenting on your comment, not the OP.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sorry ─ I was commenting on your comment, not the OP.

I don't see the relationship between the two, though. How does defining the force as love and grace relate to what god is and what he is not? Can you clarify-it reads a good many ideas in one paragraph.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Agreed. My only point is that any time I attack the aspects of any given god, the believer will inevitably say "that's not my god". so I shift the burden to them. It just saves a lot of time.

I don't get into a lot of discussions about gods outside of RF. I don't dodge the topic, but then it just isn't brought up in conversations generally.

Do they answer what their god is?