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Defund Planned Parenthood If You Want to Increase Teen Birth Rates and Abortions

Corvus

Feathered eyeball connoisseur
As distasteful as abortion may be to some, it is not for society to determine who can and who cannot have an abortion. Pragmatically it is generally a matter for the mother only to decide. The fetus is after all in her own body, totally dependent upon the mother for continued existence and development. If women are prevented from having abortions, not only will unwanted children will be born, but many women and underage teens etc..will turn to back street abortionists and all the medical incompetence and lack of facilities they bring to the table. That is a greater evil in my view. My stance has nothing to do with atheism, and all to do with the balancing of competing humanitarian and ethical considerations.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
A) Biology shows that individual human beings begin with the merging of two haploid cells
Why not say that "human beings begin" with the sperm and unfertilized egg? After all, a fertilized egg can't happen without those two cells first.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Why not say that "human beings begin" with the sperm and unfertilized egg? After all, a fertilized egg can't happen without those two cells first.
Because if the two haploid cells don't merge to form a diploid zygote then no human being is created.
This is pretty elementary science.
Tom
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Because if the two haploid cells don't merge to form a diploid zygote then no human being is created.
And if the two haploid cells did not exist, then no human being would be created.

Nothing recognizable as a human being is created at the point you have specified. It's merely a fertilized egg, many or even most of which never develop into a body with limbs and a brain.

You've merely chosen an arbitrary point to define the point when "human being begins". It's like saying that a macaroni-and-cheese casserole "begins" when the cheese sauce is mixed into the pasta. Or one could just as well say it begins at the point that the pasta put on to boil, or when the ingredients for the cheese sauce are assembled, or when the cook decides to make a macaroni-and-cheese casserole.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
No it isn't.
There is nothing religious about believing both:
A) Biology shows that individual human beings begin with the merging of two haploid cells and continue until death.
B) Human beings feeling entitled to choose death for other human beings tends to degrade the human situation, which makes it immoral.

If you would like to find more resources on the subject of prolife atheists, Google "prolife atheists". Or start with:
Yes, There Are Pro-Life Atheists Out There. Here’s Why I’m One of Them

Tom
So what's the end game? If people want abortions then they get charged a crime? Outlaw abortions and have out of control teen pregnancy, illegitimate births, back alley abortions, etc.?

Everyone acts like women rave about the abortion process.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
No it isn't.
There is nothing religious about believing both:
A) Biology shows that individual human beings begin with the merging of two haploid cells and continue until death.
You're equivocating. There's nothing about unique DNA that conveys personhood or rights in and of itself.
B) Human beings feeling entitled to choose death for other human beings tends to degrade the human situation, which makes it immoral.
I see more degradation in the anti-choice position, since it devalues a pregnant woman to a status lower than that of a corpse.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Personally, I am opposed to abortion with the exception of saving a woman's life, but I am not willing to tell a woman what she must do with that which is inside her.
 
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