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deluded wannabe thinks a tattoo makes him a paratrooper

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
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What do people think of this?

I think if he goes anywhere near any real soldiers he'll most likely get beaten up!

His wife is clearly delusional too

And surely this counts as "stolen valour"?

What a moron :D

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Stevicus

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What do people think of this?

I think if he goes anywhere near any real soldiers he'll most likely get beaten up!

His wife is clearly delusional too

And surely this counts as "stolen valour"?

What a moron :D

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Since they're openly admitting that he didn't serve, I don't think it would be considered "stolen valor." I think that's if there's a deliberate attempt to defraud, for either financial or social gain.

Just like if someone has a Kansas City Chiefs hat, I wouldn't presume they're claiming to be an actual member of the team.
 

Eddi

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Since they're openly admitting that he didn't serve, I don't think it would be considered "stolen valor." I think that's if there's a deliberate attempt to defraud, for either financial or social gain.

Just like if someone has a Kansas City Chiefs hat, I wouldn't presume they're claiming to be an actual member of the team.
I think any reasonable person who saw him sporting that tat would assume he was military

Even if he doesn't actively go around telling people the tattoo does so passively

I think he is being dishonest and if I were a member of the military I'd be very annoyed
 

SalixIncendium

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I think any reasonable person who saw him sporting that tat would assume he was military

Even if he doesn't actively go around telling people the tattoo does so passively

I think he is being dishonest and if I were a member of the military I'd be very annoyed
I don't assume anyone wearing an NBA jersey plays for the NBA.

As one who has served in the Air Force, I don't assume anyone wearing a bomber jacket is a pilot.
 

rocala

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I think if he goes anywhere near any real soldiers he'll most likely get beaten up!
I think you may be correct.
I was once in a conversation about these "stolen valour types". An old fellow who was there, told us of a time in the early 1960's. He was with a group from work who went to a pub at the end of the shift. One of their number was always talking of his wartime exploits as a a paratrooper. They all knew he was a liar and either teased him or just ignored it.

On this particular day however, a group of ex-paratroops, Arnhem veterans, were meeting there for a reunion. They heard his colleague and asked him which unit he was in. Of course he could not give convincing details. He was taken outside and seriously beaten.

My friend told me that the strange thing was that within a few weeks the man was yet again telling his tall stories. The general consensus was that he simply could not help himself and was viewed with pity more than contempt.
 

Eddi

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I don't assume anyone wearing an NBA jersey plays for the NBA.

As one who has served in the Air Force, I don't assume anyone wearing a bomber jacket is a pilot.
But the thing is, this guy seems to think he's some kind of serviceman because it's "in his heart" so he doesn't need to enlist, his wife even thinks she qualifies as an "army wife"
 

SalixIncendium

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But the thing is, this guy seems to think he's some kind of serviceman because it's "in his heart" so he doesn't need to enlist, his wife even thinks she qualifies as an "army wife"
The wife isn't even a wife, let alone and army wife.

Nonetheless, he wants to enlist. The article doesn't give enough information about why he doesn't. Could be the "wife"...could be a medical condition...could be any number of things. We don't have enough information to be all judgy about this.
 

Eddi

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The wife isn't even a wife, let alone and army wife.

Nonetheless, he wants to enlist. The article doesn't give enough information about why he doesn't. Could be the "wife"...could be a medical condition...could be any number of things. We don't have enough information to be all judgy about this.
I think if one were to read in-between the lines here one could get the impression that they won't have him because he is too stupid, I think the "never went to school" bit gives the game away

I think he is a simpleton who has unreasonable expectations and wants to be a big strong army man

I was once in a psych ward and this stinking fat dullard wearing desert camouflage came in claiming to be a mercenary and ex-special forces. I humoured him and he was obviously stupid and a fantasist. Smelt terrible too, even I could have had him in a fight and that says a lot!
 

Stevicus

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I think any reasonable person who saw him sporting that tat would assume he was military

Even if he doesn't actively go around telling people the tattoo does so passively

I think he is being dishonest and if I were a member of the military I'd be very annoyed

A tattoo isn't necessarily viewed the same way as a uniform or rank insignia or medal that someone might wear to trick people. I recall a story from Florida where some veteran was mad at some panhandler claiming to be a veteran. The video was still on YouTube:


A tattoo is different, since it's not actually issued by the military. In the same way, someone might have a bumper sticker on their car for one of the services, but unless it specifically identifies as "veteran," then I wouldn't assume it means anything. I know someone who has a bumper sticker: "My son is in the Air Force."
 

Eddi

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A tattoo isn't necessarily viewed the same way as a uniform or rank insignia or medal that someone might wear to trick people. I recall a story from Florida where some veteran was mad at some panhandler claiming to be a veteran. The video was still on YouTube:


A tattoo is different, since it's not actually issued by the military. In the same way, someone might have a bumper sticker on their car for one of the services, but unless it specifically identifies as "veteran," then I wouldn't assume it means anything. I know someone who has a bumper sticker: "My son is in the Air Force."
I don't understand what legitimate reason a person would have for such a tattoo other than as a badge of service

I don't think it's the same as having one of your favourite sports team
 

SalixIncendium

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I think if one were to read in-between the lines here one could get the impression that they won't have him because he is too stupid, I think the "never went to school" bit gives the game away
Is the fact that he never went to school his fault? Or his parents? Would that make it his fault that he wants to enlist and can't?

I think he is a simpleton who has unreasonable expectations and wants to be a big strong army man
Do you always pass judgment on people with such limited information? It makes me wonder what you might say about me behind my back.

I was once in a psych ward and this stinking fat dullard wearing desert camouflage came in claiming to be a mercenary and ex-special forces. I humoured him and he was obviously stupid and a fantasist. Smelt terrible too, even I could have had him in a fight and that says a lot!
How is that relevant to this topic? These people in the OP are pretty open about his not being Airborne.
 

Stevicus

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I don't understand what legitimate reason a person would have for such a tattoo other than as a badge of service

I don't think it's the same as having one of your favourite sports team

Conceivably, one could have such a tattoo in honor of a friend or family member who served. Or they could just be a militarist who likes the military and wants to show their support. Unless there's a deliberate intent to deceive, then one can't really assume.

If someone sees it and asks if he served, he can just say, "No, but I support those who defend our country."

If his wife goes around saying she's an "Army wife," then she would be the one lying, not the guy with the tattoo.
 

Eddi

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Is the fact that he never went to school his fault? Or his parents? Would that make it his fault that he wants to enlist and can't?
No, but it may make him unsuitable for what he wants to do if for instance he can't read which is something I can relate to, at school I was late to learn how to read and needed private lessons
Do you always pass judgment on people with such limited information? It makes me wonder what you might say about me behind my back.
I form tentative speculative opinions, yes

I think most people do, until more information is available

And I'm not going behind this guy's back, I have zero relationship with him and I don't gossip or talk **** about people I know
 

Eddi

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Conceivably, one could have such a tattoo in honor of a friend or family member who served. Or they could just be a militarist who likes the military and wants to show their support. Unless there's a deliberate intent to deceive, then one can't really assume.

If someone sees it and asks if he served, he can just say, "No, but I support those who defend our country."

If his wife goes around saying she's an "Army wife," then she would be the one lying, not the guy with the tattoo.
Maybe, but as a civilian I'd never have such a tattoo, it would feel wrong and disrespectful and I'd worry about people taking it the wrong way and thinking I had bad motives

Having a patriotic nonspecific one would however be entirely different

I mean he could have had an Eagle tattoo or something?
 

SalixIncendium

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Conceivably, one could have such a tattoo in honor of a friend or family member who served. Or they could just be a militarist who likes the military and wants to show their support. Unless there's a deliberate intent to deceive, then one can't really assume.
Just in case anyone gets confused upon seeing my tattoo, my name isn't Renée. :tearsofjoy:
 

Stevicus

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Maybe, but as a civilian I'd never have such a tattoo, it would feel wrong and disrespectful and I'd worry about people taking it the wrong way and thinking I had bad motives

Having a patriotic nonspecific one would however be entirely different

I mean he could have had an Eagle tattoo or something?

I'll admit it does seem strange. The whole premise of the self-proclaimed "army wife," yet openly admitting that she's not really an Army wife - that is odd. If he wanted to enlist, then what's stopping him? Unless there's a deliberate intent to defraud people, then I don't think they would be breaking any laws here. But I don't know for certain.

As for it being disrespectful, I guess that would be in the eye of the beholder. Some say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but that may not apply in this instance.
 

Sakeenah

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What do people think of this?

I think if he goes anywhere near any real soldiers he'll most likely get beaten up!

His wife is clearly delusional too

And surely this counts as "stolen valour"?

What a moron :D

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This is actually hilarious, It's a joke right? I'm sure they are trolling. Are you sure this isn't one of those bubble gum tattoo stickers?
 
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