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Democrate part is communist

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Ya.......less regulation, less taxes = more liberty. Pretty dam simple equation, isnt it?
Not really. Governments aren't the only threat to liberty; individuals can oppress each other and limit their freedoms.

And regulations often regulate governments. States have to follow federal laws; local governments have to follow state and federal laws. These laws are often a higher level of government stopping lower levels of government from infringing on the people's rights.

Maximal liberty is achieved when there are sensible regulations that stop not only government but also individuals from infringing on the freedoms of the people.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No, communists are ALSO fascists. More government control is communist and fascist. Its one in the same.

The more right wing you lean the more liberty you promote.

Also, if progressivism is the same as communism, and communism does not work, why bother with it at all?
Ok, so what about history showing socialism/communism doesent work well?
Can you name any examples of communism or socialism that don't work well? You seem to conflate them with authoritarianism and despotism.
It's not the left that's responsible for our growing police-surveillance state.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't know any Democrats that are actually Marxists, so I take the OP only with a very LARGE grain of salt. Also, there are various forms of "socialism", such as one can find described here: Socialism - Wikipedia

BTW, pretty much all countries today are what we call "mixed economies", which means that they have a mixture of both capitalistic and socialistic programs, and that includes the U.S. and China (PRC), for just two examples.

Also, any political system can be matched with a socialist economy, with the exception of the extreme form of Marxism in its earlier stages.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Flipping the OP 180 degrees around:

Republicans believe that our economy should weaken our country and not work for every American

Republicans want to ensure corporations, the wealthy, and Wall Street don't pay their fair share

Republicans cut taxes mostly for the super wealthy and gigantic corporations and not for working families

Republicans don't want to provided relief for hardworking Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

(and let me add a few)

Republicans don't believe that people should get health care unless they are wealthy enough to afford it.

Republicans don't believe that people are entitled to clean air and water unless they are rich enough to afford it.

Republicans believing in propping up dying businesses like coal rather than invest in future green technologies.

(and to go from the Republican party to the Trumpian party)

Trumpians believe it's perfectly OK to lie, cheat and steal if you are a Trumpian.

Trumpians believe that laws are for other people rather than Donny and themselves.

Trumpians believe that groping women is perfectly OK

Trumpians believe that the Constitution is just a piece of paper and that Trump can do whatever he likes.
Hey if the Socialist Democrats take over the country, we can all go out with a bang like Venezuela and Greece .
 
Same reason Christian's choose to remain Christian despite christianity's history of death. They don't identify with the sort of beliefs taken by totalitarian regimes.

Well, thats an interesting angle. However, christianities history is a mix bag.

Communisms history seams to produce the same result.
 
Did it ever occur to you that any regulations were enacted to protect the public, or that such regulations do protect the public? Your deregulation equals liberty argument also proves a grievous error in the case of quacks and hucksters who are just out to swindle people. Just like how regulation can be counter-productive to fairness and competition, wanton deregulation can also lead to economic ills. The most productive countries in the world also have the shortest work-hours, and when Sweden implemented a six-hour workday worker productivity, satisfaction, and revenue increased, while turnover and absenteeism decreased. Similarly, rent control is deemed necessary in New York State to keep key workers from leaving particular areas, while it has also been argued that rent regulation incentivizes tenants to upgrade and maintain their homes as opposed to keeping them squalid so landlords can't claim the added value for themselves. Completely ripping apart good regulations can then blow up in the face of free marketers! You’re a proponent of the free-market right Jollybear? at best, workers become sluggish, strike more often, and end up trashing their apartments as they move out of viable city sectors; at worst, you can end up getting a financial apocalypse! You remember the rescission of 2007?

and as far as taxes go, what’s your ethical position on taxes besides something as vague as liberty? Because you do know the government has the LEGAL right to tax

Great job at knocking down a strawman. Your FAVORITE way of arguing. In fact, its the favorite of the left.

Ill restate my words WITH clarification. And probably to NO avail.

Ya.......less regulation (i.e less does not mean NO regulation, pay attention to the words), less taxes (i.e. less does not mean NO taxes) = more liberty. Pretty dam simple equation, isnt it?

And all that equals LESS "authoritarianism" and less fascism.

More regulations and more taxes = "authoritarianism" and that = fascism and communism.
 
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