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Demonisation of Food
- Thread starter Rival
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So do I.
My night sky is magenta because my town is surrounded by fruit and vegetable greenhouses.
That price was for whole peppers.
We can get better prices at roadside vegetable stands, but they all close over the winter.
My local supermarket sells store brand baked beans for $1.49 a can (0.87p).
That's how I felt for awhile... and then one day, I stopped finding pleasure in food, too!
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
There are some people out there saying all sorts of stupid things on pretty much any topic. I don't see the benefit in given them any attention. That doesn't mean you should automatically say the exact opposite though. The reality in this area is complex and, to an extent, individual.
You see, that isn't really any better than a lot of the statements you're complaining about. Lack of exercise\activity is certainly a relevant factor but how much, what and when you eat is also relevant. Blaming nothing on food is no better than blaming everything on it.
How did you stop finding pleasure in food?
When I was 21 (almost 20 years ago) I too lost interest in food
I survived only on coffee, cigarettes, and pasta/Weetabix and was eventually hospitalised as I was underweight and out of my mind!
I'd rather be a bit fat and relatively sane than nice and slim but raving mad
When I was skinny I had my photo taken for a bus pass, I still have that bus pass as a memento of when I was thin!
I don't know. I just woke up feeling terrible one day, and had the thought to eat something delicious... and realized I had no care to whatsoever.
I agree, too much emphasis is placed on weight.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
I’m currently in France, and eating better than I have done for a long time. I think they have it right here, though must be very difficult for vegetarians. The French, it seems to me, spend all day thinking about, talking, and planning what to eat, but they rarely seem to overeat.
They’ll lose all their wonderful, fatty, highly calorific local produce though, if the huge agri-businesses are allowed to drive the small farmers to the wall. And they’ll lose all the little independent charcuteries, fromagerie/cremeries, and boulangeries, if the supermarkets take over as they have, completely, in the U.K.
They’ll lose all their wonderful, fatty, highly calorific local produce though, if the huge agri-businesses are allowed to drive the small farmers to the wall. And they’ll lose all the little independent charcuteries, fromagerie/cremeries, and boulangeries, if the supermarkets take over as they have, completely, in the U.K.
Secret Chief
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That literally suggests a complete ignorance of nutrition.
Secret Chief
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I loved food till somebody started sending me bunches of kale in the post.
You're welcome.
Secret Chief
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Secret Chief
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I'm sure you know what hyperbole is.
Sometimes I feel you just want to critique me instead of replying to the OP.
The point of the OP is straightforward.
Secret Chief
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I was taking it at face value. Am I right in recalling you claimed meat is essential to a healthy diet? Hyperbole?
It seems nowadays that if you want to be healthy, you'd just end up eating vegetables.
Everything has been demonised because of sugar, fat and carbs. That literally leaves you with nothing but some meat and vegetables.
Smoothies are not bad because they have lots of sugar, in which case you are really just saying fruit is bad for you!
Meat is bad; dairy is terrible, apparently.
Everything foodwise is being demonised. There's no wonder Westerners don't know what to eat and how to balance their diets.
All foods contain nutrients to some degree. Bread, smoothies, milk and eggs are not unhealthy; they all have nutrients.
How can we stop this demonisation of food and be normal with it?
Stop Demonizing Food
I have to tell you, I’m a little sick of the sugar thing. And the carb thing, the wheat thing, the soda thing, the salt thing, and whatever thing we might be hearing about tomorrow. Now, I’m not recommending mass amounts of any of these foods, as they’re often consumed in the American diet. A ...eatingdisorders.com
@Quintessence
I view nutrition similarly to how I view mental health: Because of the vast number of variables that can determine whether an approach is effective or healthy, what works for one person may not work for another, and vice versa. Genes, hereditary conditions, individual variations in personal circumstances (e.g., the availability or lack thereof of certain foods, one's economic conditions, where one lives, etc.), and a plethora of other variables make it so that self-help books and "pop nutrition" advice can either be helpful to a given individual or useless and potentially even harmful due to their unsuitability to that person's needs and specific circumstances.
I know people who have to entirely avoid eating certain foods per their nutritionists' advice in order to lose weight, while I have eaten those same foods for years and have weighed almost exactly the same for 12 years now (being just a tiny bit underweight but still healthy on that front). Coffee gives some people anxiety even if they drink small amounts, while it helps many others to focus better. The list goes on.
I believe it's best to work out a suitable diet with one's doctors based on one's medical history, inherited conditions (if any), susceptibility to weight gain or loss, etc., not via TikToks and generalized advice that may or may not apply to one's situation—advice which, similarly to self-help books for mental health, some people assume to be universally helpful just because they personally found it to be so.
This is not to say that some foods and drinks are not indeed almost universally healthy or that some are not almost universally unhealthy if consumed beyond small quantities, such as carbonated drinks and their effect on bones or certain breakfast cereals and the extreme amounts of sugar in them. My point is just that a lot of the nutrition "advice" one can encounter may or may not even apply to their specific needs and medical situation.
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Yes. Not seeing a problem here.
This is also not the thread for vegetarian arguments.
Secret Chief
Very strong language
So no promoting meat or dairy in this thread either then.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Funny how nobody, on a religious forum, has mentioned the inventors of demonizing food, yet: the religions.It seems nowadays that if you want to be healthy, you'd just end up eating vegetables.
Everything has been demonised because of sugar, fat and carbs. That literally leaves you with nothing but some meat and vegetables.
Smoothies are not bad because they have lots of sugar, in which case you are really just saying fruit is bad for you!
Meat is bad; dairy is terrible, apparently.
Everything foodwise is being demonised. There's no wonder Westerners don't know what to eat and how to balance their diets.
All foods contain nutrients to some degree. Bread, smoothies, milk and eggs are not unhealthy; they all have nutrients.
How can we stop this demonisation of food and be normal with it?
Stop Demonizing Food
I have to tell you, I’m a little sick of the sugar thing. And the carb thing, the wheat thing, the soda thing, the salt thing, and whatever thing we might be hearing about tomorrow. Now, I’m not recommending mass amounts of any of these foods, as they’re often consumed in the American diet. A ...
@Quintessence
"Don't eat meat on Friday", "don't eat pork", "don't eat beans"; limiting food (and sex) is a staple of cults. Get the believers to commit to sacrifices, and they will become accustomed to it - then you can demand more sacrifices later.
Now, we have come along some way, as today the demands are no longer based on the will of the gods but on health issues and science - at least sometimes. One has to be scientifically literate to distinguish between real and established theories and some fad that is based on one (questionable) study.
I like my food, together with Joschka Fischer, ideology-free.
Secret Chief
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Haven't heard of this one - is it the Fartists cult?
The only foods my religion proscribe are kale and aubergine, which I feel is reasonable and scientifically sound.