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Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?
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ElishaElijah
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Doesn’t matter about my posts or how you may perceive them, I’m not the one blaspheming, slandering and shaking their fist at God demanding He bow down to manipulation, pity, and unbelief.
If people don’t believe God and what He did for them through Jesus Christ then that’s up to them. Without faith (trust in God and what He says) then there is no other option.
I hear people who say things like I was rejected by the Church because I received Christ got baptized and didn’t turn away from witchcraft, immoral sex life and the like of this. Well this is what the Bible says:
“I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.””
I Corinthians 5:9-13 NKJV
After repentance:
“And I wrote this very thing to you, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow over those from whom I ought to have joy, having confidence in you all that my joy is the joy of you all. For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote to you, with many tears, not that you should be grieved, but that you might know the love which I have so abundantly for you. But if anyone has caused grief, he has not grieved me, but all of you to some extent—not to be too severe. This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him.”
II Corinthians 2:3-8 NKJV
That’s what the Bible says about the God who you obviously hate and believe is a monster. I don’t share that at all.
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
According to the Bible, God is capable of hatred, as well as anger and jealousy. Christians, in my opinion, are deceiving themselves by focusing solely on his alleged love and mercy while ignoring the other verses that depict his hatred, anger, and jealousy. When I left Christianity, I reread the Bible without rose-colored glasses, and I now see God as a sadistic and psychopathic monster who delights in inflicting pain and torturing people, as well as causing total chaos and disasters in order to inflict pain and kill people. And as a former devout Christian and survivor of childhood abuse, I compare God to a narcissistic and abusive parent who only "loves" you when you do or say exactly what they want you to do. And you think that if you don't make them angry, they won't hurt you, but you're not completely sure because they have an extremely violent temper and are known to lash out in anger. So, if you disobey them and make them angry at you, then there will be hell to pay. That isn't a relationship based on unconditional love, but rather one based on fear and mistrust. If God exists, then I don't believe that he is worthy of my respect and reverence, let alone my love and worship. I do believe, however, that he has earned my contempt. If God exists, then he can go to hell. He clearly doesn't think I'm worth his time, and I now don't think he's worth mine.
SkepticThinker
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I don't shake my fists at things I don't believe exist. How often do you shake your fist at Quetzalcoatl?
SkepticThinker
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That's how I see it too. How they've twisted that into something called "love" is beyond me and my understanding of what love actually is.
ElishaElijah
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What is your definition of love?
nPeace
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Oh. I see you want to hang around, so long as you can just make claims.
Got any evidence to back that claim?
Orbit
I'm a planet
To back what claim? There is no evidence that demons exist. It's up to you prove that they do, using actual objective evidence. The burder of proof is on you. I hope you will be more accurate than when you said "JWs don't proselytize".
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
love
noun
a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
sexual passion or desire.
verb (used with object), loved, lov·ing.
to have love or affection for:All her students love her.
to have a profoundly tender, passionate affection for (another person).
verb (used without object), loved, lov·ing.
to have love or affection for another person; be in love.
Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!
Some possible definitions of love include:
- A willingness to prioritize another’s well-being or happiness above your own.
- Extreme feelings of attachment, affection, and need.
- Dramatic, sudden feelings of attraction and respect.
- A fleeting emotion of care, affection, and like.
- A choice to commit to helping, respecting, and caring for another, such as in marriage or when having a child.
- Some combination of the above emotions.
Love - GoodTherapy.org Therapy Blog
Love is complex. A mix of emotions, behaviors, and beliefs associated with strong feelings of affection, protectiveness, warmth, and respect for another person. Love can also be used to apply to non-human animals, to principles, and to religious beliefs. For example, a person might say he or she...
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All of the above.
ElishaElijah
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Ok so you see love as an emotion? You can fall in and out of love?love
noun
a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
sexual passion or desire.
verb (used with object), loved, lov·ing.
to have love or affection for:All her students love her.
to have a profoundly tender, passionate affection for (another person).
verb (used without object), loved, lov·ing.
to have love or affection for another person; be in love.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!www.dictionary.com
Some possible definitions of love include:
- A willingness to prioritize another’s well-being or happiness above your own.
- Extreme feelings of attachment, affection, and need.
- Dramatic, sudden feelings of attraction and respect.
- A fleeting emotion of care, affection, and like.
- A choice to commit to helping, respecting, and caring for another, such as in marriage or when having a child.
- Some combination of the above emotions.
Love - GoodTherapy.org Therapy Blog
Love is complex. A mix of emotions, behaviors, and beliefs associated with strong feelings of affection, protectiveness, warmth, and respect for another person. Love can also be used to apply to non-human animals, to principles, and to religious beliefs. For example, a person might say he or she...
All of the above.
ElishaElijah
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God agape loves us like this, while we were His enemies and sinners Christ died for us. So no matter how bad a person is God’s arms are still outstretched ready to forgive that person when they repent and come to Jesus Christ.love
noun
a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
sexual passion or desire.
verb (used with object), loved, lov·ing.
to have love or affection for:All her students love her.
to have a profoundly tender, passionate affection for (another person).
verb (used without object), loved, lov·ing.
to have love or affection for another person; be in love.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!
Some possible definitions of love include:
- A willingness to prioritize another’s well-being or happiness above your own.
- Extreme feelings of attachment, affection, and need.
- Dramatic, sudden feelings of attraction and respect.
- A fleeting emotion of care, affection, and like.
- A choice to commit to helping, respecting, and caring for another, such as in marriage or when having a child.
- Some combination of the above emotions.
Love - GoodTherapy.org Therapy Blog
Love is complex. A mix of emotions, behaviors, and beliefs associated with strong feelings of affection, protectiveness, warmth, and respect for another person. Love can also be used to apply to non-human animals, to principles, and to religious beliefs. For example, a person might say he or she...
All of the above.
What is agape love? | GotQuestions.org
What is agape love? How is agape love different from other types of love?
www.gotquestions.org
nPeace
Veteran Member
Did you not just claim that what I provided is not evidence?
What do you think that is, evidence? It's a claim.... like all the others you made on this thread.
Where is your evidence? It is evident you have none.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Do you not understand logic? It's impossible to prove a negative. You can't prove that unicorns don't exist, for example, it's nonsensical. The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim. You say demons exist. Provide objective, verifiable evidence for it. It's on you, not me.
SkepticThinker
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It's an emotion that can be expressed via a variety of behaviours.
Prove it.God agape loves us like this, while we were His enemies and sinners Christ died for us. So no matter how bad a person is God’s arms are still outstretched ready to forgive that person when they repent and come to Jesus Christ.
What is agape love? | GotQuestions.org
What is agape love? How is agape love different from other types of love?www.gotquestions.org
ElishaElijah
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“For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:6-21 NKJV
I have failed nothing. I never said any of the things you keep repeating.
All I have said is that you claim things that you cannot support. How would I know what you have seen and whether it was real. You sure haven't shown anyone.
No one on this thread has presented unambiguos evidence for demons or their actions. All the so called evidence has more than one possible explanation and many that are better than the weak evidence that has been brought up.
I don't claim to speak for God. I don't claim to have the ultimate, bestest, dead on, rock solid one true interpretation of the Bible. I don't go on and on about demons as if I idolize them. I don't judge others and claim to know who is and who isn't Christian. No one can do that.
But I have seen all of these things done on here.
No. I have not failed. Sorry. Better luck next time.
No need to respond. I already know what you will say. I've seen it in heavy rotation on here.
Evidence for demons or their actions would be more than claims. It would be unambiguous, objective evidence that could be tested independently by others, especially skeptics that leads to the same or very similar conclusions.
Fans of demons that keep telling why they believe are not evidence for demons. The Bible may be why people believe, but it is not evidence for demons since it cannot be tested by believers and non-believers alike. It is not evidence that can be explained by existing phenomena such as mass hysteria.
It has been said that no amount of evidence will convince those asking for evidence of demons, but the reality of this thread is that no amount of evidence has been provided.
Fans of demons that keep telling why they believe are not evidence for demons. The Bible may be why people believe, but it is not evidence for demons since it cannot be tested by believers and non-believers alike. It is not evidence that can be explained by existing phenomena such as mass hysteria.
It has been said that no amount of evidence will convince those asking for evidence of demons, but the reality of this thread is that no amount of evidence has been provided.
DNB
Christian
Read the news, or study anthropology - either source will elucidate the existence of demons. Man's actions throughout history defy his intelligence - there is clearly an external force that influences man to act contrary to conscience, morality and pragmatism, and even self-preservation.
Don’t attempt to belittle me. As an RF moderator, you should be above such behavior.
But to answer your question…. Yes.
Evidence is what we find through observation. Facts. (Which is what I presented.)
Assertions can have no factual basis. But assertions can also be explanations or interpretations of presented facts. Again, like the facts I provided, those details we’ve discovered.
I’m not here to brag about my degrees, but probably further than you did. Probably further than most.
Serious answer.
It does explain them. And it did produce the data we find.
As far as what we don’t find….it was a *controlled* event, as I stated earlier in this thread (i.e., divinely inspired). It achieved its purpose.
From where, do you think, did all of the diverse and varied legends — the Norse, Roman, Hindi, and numerous unrelated others — get their one common idea of their respective gods ‘sleeping with human women’? (Zeus begetting Hercules, for example). That common thread is found in the brief historical description provided in Gen. 6:1-4, “the sons of the True God began to notice the daughters of men…..they went taking wives for themselves, all whom they chose.”
These sons of God were later described at 2Pet.2:4 as “the angels that sinned,” the ones mentioned in Jude vs.6 who “forsook their proper dwelling place.”
These once angelic creatures, using their FreeWill, chose to rebel too, and became the demons, fellow cohorts of Satan.
It also explains why the Flood had to be a global one: a localized one would not have accomplished God’s purpose….and it doesn’t fit the narrative, anyway.
I don’t think I’ve wasted my time…Oh, I know it probably won’t sway you. But I posted these details for others to read; maybe they’ll see how it all fits, & appreciate the explanations.
Wish you the best.
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